Giving way

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sharkbiscuit
sharkbiscuit
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820 posts
14 Dec 2008 8:10pm
Warning: silly question

When I am sailing along and somebody else is coming towards me, do I go left of
them or right of them ?
elizabethb
elizabethb
QLD
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QLD, 2081 posts
14 Dec 2008 9:15pm
Depends if you are upwind/downwind of them....

U know starboard or port. Same rules apply as boating.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
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WA, 15105 posts
14 Dec 2008 8:18pm
sharkbiscuit said...

Warning: silly question

When I am sailing along and somebody else is coming towards me, do I go left of
them or right of them ?



You go to your right. Of course, you need to make sure they seem to know which way they should go...
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23688 posts
WA, 23688 posts
14 Dec 2008 8:22pm
elizabethb said...

Depends if you are upwind/downwind of them....

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NO, not if you are on opposite tacks heading towards each other. You go to the right (starboard).

Incidentally that is the same for aeroplanes, boats and in most countries for cars (drive on the right). Always made me wonder why some countries went with driving cars on the left.....
Squid Lips
Squid Lips
WA
708 posts
WA, 708 posts
14 Dec 2008 8:48pm
Driving on the left comes from back in the days when soldiers carried swords. Since most people are right handed you would wear your sword on the left, thus you would pass potential enemies on your left so they are away from your sword.

Or something...
sharkbiscuit
sharkbiscuit
820 posts
820 posts
14 Dec 2008 8:52pm
Elizabeth: I've briefly googled the topic. Many sites have wording that is beyond me at the
moment. I was wondering is there is web page that fogs down the sailing conventions
for numptys like me ? (and with lots of diagrams !! :) :) :)

Mark: The scenerio I am thinking bout is me kaning along (normally uncontrollably)
up wind. A kiter is coming towards me (down wind) really quickly. What I have been
doing is seeing what the other guy does. If he turns, I turn the other way. if he/she
doesn't and they get too close, I depower and drop my sail (and then fall off :). I was
wondering what is the correct thing to do in this situation ?

Note: Also, many sites say "giveway" without explaining give way. Give way to me is
depowering and coming to rest. This seems slightly impractical for kite and windsurfers :)

Thanks for tips :)

Ja
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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14 Dec 2008 9:04pm
I'm not surprised your problem is with kiters.

If you are both heading straight at each other on a reach you pass to starboard (ie keep right).

If you are heading opposite directions but both heading up/downwind, port tack gives way to starboard tack.

If you are both on the same tack, the one to windward has right of way (ie downwind guy keeps clear)

I would have thought "give way" is simple: whoever has to give way will change their course to avoid collision.... whoever has right of way keeps their course!!!!
decrepit
decrepit
WA
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WA, 12885 posts
14 Dec 2008 9:16pm
Mostly "giving way" is going downwind, because the person coming towards you is trying to go upwind. but this isn't always the case,
With a kite coming towards you, if you go upwind of him, it's safer for you, (lines are downwind) and he doesn't have to raise his kite over your rig.
Giving way certainly doesn't mean slowing down, it means not getting in the way of the other person, just stopping in front of them, can be as big an inconvenience.
If you can work out what they are trying to do, (going upwind, downwind, etc) then go the opposite direction.
If you're truly out of control most of the time, can you find a clearer patch of water to practice in, until you are in control.
sharkbiscuit
sharkbiscuit
820 posts
820 posts
14 Dec 2008 9:23pm
Thanks guys. That web site is easy to read.

Mark _australia said...
I would have thought "give way" is simple: whoever has to give way will change their course to avoid collision.... whoever has right of way keeps their course!!!!


Ahh Ok. I guess I'm thinking about road rules :)

Ja
DAM71
DAM71
QLD
498 posts
QLD, 498 posts
14 Dec 2008 10:24pm
I have to disagree with mark on one point.

When sailing free on the same tack the windward vessel should remain clear of the downwind vessel.

A few other points that might help
- a vessel running free should give way to the vessel close reaching.
- a vessel overtaking another on the same tack should keep clear of the one they are overtaking.

and of course at all times avoid a collision - general boating rule that pretty much supercedes all others
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23688 posts
WA, 23688 posts
14 Dec 2008 9:32pm
DAM71 said...

I have to disagree with mark on one point.

When sailing free on the same tack the windward vessel should remain clear of the downwind vessel.

Yes sorry I got it arse about.... well i was sorta right, when both are running free almost dead downwind the rule is reversed (leeward has right of way)http://www.scils.rutgers.edu/~elfox/rule4.html

but let's not go there as it will not happen in windsurfing and kiting. We'll just stick with if on same tack that windward keeps clear (leeward has right of way)

Hey just for fun lets talk about right of way in the waves again hahahahaha

DAM71
DAM71
QLD
498 posts
QLD, 498 posts
14 Dec 2008 10:34pm
Throw in the speed guys and the right of way for the guy going fastest makes it and even more interesting discussion.[}:)]
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
14 Dec 2008 9:58pm
We've got an overlapping speed and alpha course, that can get interesting!

Amongst our selves, the alpha guy will abort his run if there's a somebody else flying down wind on a possible collision course.
Nothing to do with "right of way", same as waves here, it's do as you would be done by.
pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
2005 posts
NSW, 2005 posts
15 Dec 2008 3:19am
Man o man, we have this thread every other week, it seems. The rules are clear and the same for all countries. I've raced both southern hemisphere and in the US, and the pre-racing instructions and rules were the same. When racing, they're the same for pretty much all classes of boats.

When not racing, it's the same, just google it. Also includes rules for motor boats, locks and all.

One last note: rules are something to apply to avoid accidents, and may be used in a court of law in case of liability following a collision. A fellow sailboater-lawyer was telling me you cannot be sued for not following the rules if there is no collision. Even in the US.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23688 posts
WA, 23688 posts
15 Dec 2008 9:58am
Yes Pierre but in many places it would result in tyres let down or threats with a mast extension
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