Going down a board size

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nebbian
nebbian
WA
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WA, 6277 posts
8 Feb 2007 5:09pm
Last weekend I took out my 84 litre JP freeride for the first real go, I've owned it for a year but never had the guts to try it before. My 85 kilos sink it pretty quickly so the wind had to be up, and since I was repairing my 105 litre board it was either take the sinker or not go out at all...

I couldn't believe it, I busted out 5 dry gybes first up, no questions asked, no worries!! I'm normally struggling to do this on my 105 litre board, and this was on a 100% sinker! If anyone was at Shearwater last Sunday they would have seen my ear-to-ear grin

However when slogging, it was a real struggle to keep the thing pointed vaguely downwind, it always wanted to weathercock right into the wind. Is there an easy fix for this? My mast base was at the same position (135 cm) from the back as my other board, nothing else was changed apart from having 20 litres less flotation.

Is this a common problem when going down a board size?
Do you just get used to it, or is there a way to tune that tendency out of the board?
Leech
Leech
WA
1933 posts
WA, 1933 posts
8 Feb 2007 5:13pm
that's just JPs. They like to point into the wind. You'll get used to it.
MikeyS
MikeyS
VIC
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VIC, 1509 posts
8 Feb 2007 7:25pm
You might want to try moving your feet further forward on the board, even putting your front foot in front of the mast to try to keep the nose from heading upwind. If your body weight is too far back from the "centre of floatation", which should be further forward on your 86l compared to your 105l, I would expect that you would have a hard time stopping it from turnig upwing when slogging.
chairman
chairman
500 posts
500 posts
8 Feb 2007 7:46pm
Would have been gooc to see that grin
I agree with the above comments
Be hard to go back to the blue boat now
Swater if the southerly kicks in next few arvos ?
curac
curac
WA
1160 posts
WA, 1160 posts
8 Feb 2007 8:11pm
you should chuck the 105L in the bin.. to big..
to fix you up wind problem i am gonna guess that your front foot is pointing across teh board,, so if this is the case point your front foot towards the nose of the board so that it's straight up and down the centre.. help heaps
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
8 Feb 2007 8:17pm
quote:
Originally posted by MikeyS

You might want to try moving your feet further forward on the board, even putting your front foot in front of the mast to try to keep the nose from heading upwind.


Thanks Mikey,

I did have my front foot just forward of the mast, but had to be careful not to put too much weight on it or the whole thing just nosedived... had to really concentrate on angling the mast forwards, and totally hang off the boom to get the nose around. I had trouble going from a 180 litre to 105 litre, so I guess it's par for the course to have a bit of trouble going down another 20 litres. Got to say though, jumping is about 200% easier on the smaller stick, just push the tail down into the trough and grab the oxygen mask

Chairman,
The blue boat will still get a good pounding now it's repaired, but now I've got a different option if the wind's above 20 knots. Thanks for the encouragement at SWater last week (you know what you did), it gave me the confidence to try the sinker. Might go up to SWater one day this weekend while that cyclone is blowing, hopefully see you there
AUS-057
AUS-057
QLD
466 posts
QLD, 466 posts
8 Feb 2007 9:45pm
Hi,

I found the same thing. Im usually sailing around on a JP-Xcite 110. I recently bought my first waveboard 76l JP Real World Wave and the difference is amazing. My gybe percentages improved significantly because the board is so manoueverable. Very different sailing style though between a freeride and waveboard. The wave board really liked being sailed off the front foot whereas the freeride board could be driven off the fin.

David

Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14967 posts
QLD, 14967 posts
8 Feb 2007 10:03pm
hey nebbian,

i can vouch for the size of your smile... but you always got a big smile when windsurfing.....

i get the board turning into the wind thing when dredging also. when i'm on the 95lt fish... i'm 96kg.

i don't think you need to put your foot in front of the mast. that'll only make things more difficult. i push my front foot against the mast and then pull my back leg to windward so that it forces the board downwind. kind of slide the tail upwind.

definately you need to move your weight forward on small boards. also, don't hook in until you are starting to plane or planing.

sailing off the front foot works a treat once you are semi planing or planing. haircut put me onto it too. it is hard to get used too when coming off bigger gear and i still struggle a bit at times when i have been on the formula gear for a while. on sunday i practiced sailing the board off the front foot in the flat water at the train. once you get the stance it feels really comfortable and helps upwind sailing. also improves top end speed.
md74
md74
QLD
1064 posts
QLD, 1064 posts
8 Feb 2007 10:46pm
I saw the grin, big wide and super cheesey!
MikeyS
MikeyS
VIC
1509 posts
VIC, 1509 posts
8 Feb 2007 11:50pm
quote:
I did have my front foot just forward of the mast, but had to be careful not to put too much weight on it or the whole thing just nosedived... had to really concentrate on angling the mast forwards, and totally hang off the boom to get the nose around.



quote:
i don't think you need to put your foot in front of the mast. that'll only make things more difficult. i push my front foot against the mast and then pull my back leg to windward so that it forces the board downwind. kind of slide the tail upwind.



You might want to get one of those toe-jam thinggies, the conical foam things that go over the uni joint. I've found one quite useful on my 86l freewave board, because you can comfortably push your foot against it and effectively push against the mast base without wrecking your foot.

Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
8 Feb 2007 11:52pm
Hey Nebbian, smaller boards are just so addictive. The day I took my 78 litre out for the first time was the day that my gybing improved the most!
Combs
Combs
WA
152 posts
WA, 152 posts
8 Feb 2007 10:52pm
I agree Harrow. I had my 84ltr for a month before I could convince myself the wind was blowing enough to give it a go. The first run was terrifying, with everything feeling very tweaky. When I came to the end of the run I thought "this is it, now to stack on a gybe". I just threw her into the turn and wow.

I'll have to pry myself away from her now.
drjukka
drjukka
QLD
258 posts
QLD, 258 posts
9 Feb 2007 12:30am
Nebs,

Foot position is important, as too is stance.

Try driving your weight through your hips and shoulders rather than your feet. Your stance may need to be a bit more 'upright for this'

"Light arms"

When you feel the gust, gently move your weight back and out.

- J

Gonewindsurfing247
Gonewindsurfing247
WA
966 posts
WA, 966 posts
9 Feb 2007 12:42am
Nebbian, try moving your mast track forward a couple of centimetres.
TelecomGreg
TelecomGreg
QLD
94 posts
QLD, 94 posts
9 Feb 2007 4:41pm
Heh Nebs go on a diet!

TelecomGreg
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
9 Feb 2007 5:16pm
Hey come on Greg that's a bit rich... Wasn't it only a month or two ago that you needed some help holding down your awning in a tiny bit of breeze 'cos you were such a featherweight?

md74
md74
QLD
1064 posts
QLD, 1064 posts
9 Feb 2007 7:09pm
ooooh! just like David Tench, return fire!!
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
9 Feb 2007 11:16pm
he's in Vic at the moment, you can't touch him down there
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