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shi thouse
shi thouse
WA
1159 posts
WA, 1159 posts
25 Jul 2006 8:26pm
Was having a look on ebay and saw that these booms were on sail for $130. Very cheap, so you have to ask questions! Has anyone bought and used one of these booms? Feedback?
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
QLD, 14968 posts
26 Jul 2006 6:10am
gun make excellent gear, why do you ask? the loft booms were the same price, plenty of people up here bought those, they worked great as well. the guys at windsurfing sales are also great guys.

why does something have to be expensive to be good.
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
26 Jul 2006 6:18am
They are not cheap, they are the 'right price'.

Regards,
Harrow.
DavMen
DavMen
NSW
1510 posts
NSW, 1510 posts
26 Jul 2006 6:57am
People often confuse price with quality.

The old saying you get what you pay for is crap!! - Something retailers dreamed up to justify higher prices.

Cheers
DavMen
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
26 Jul 2006 7:29am
Call me a symantic reactionary but to me "cheap" means "inexpensive".
"Right price" is a desperate sellers work-around to avoid the possible confusion or ambiguity caused by etomological drift in the vernacular use of "cheap". After all he doesent want you to think he's selling rubbish.

Just another small example of why I object to the gratuitous misuse of words. As a matter of interest there's another good example in the Building Act of Australia. In that document lavitories designed for the use of either gender are termed "unisex". On the face of it that word means "one gender", which pretty much goes without saying if you are talking about public dunnies. However what it really means is "both genders". A more appropriate term I would suggest would be "omnisex" or "ambisex". What moron put that in the BCA.
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
26 Jul 2006 9:59am
NotWal,

I presume your skin crawls everytime Alanis Morisset's song 'Irony' is played? There is, after all, nothing ironic about it raining on your wedding day, it's just plain bad luck!!

(Unless of course you chose a particular date for your wedding based on the historically low statistical probability of it raining on that particular day.)

Regards,
Harrow.
shi thouse
shi thouse
WA
1159 posts
WA, 1159 posts
26 Jul 2006 9:31am
If this boom is of equivalent quality to most other booms priced at over three times then I am certainly interested. I like this concept of "right price". Then what would be the right price for boards now days. AT $2000 - $2500 for a board and from what I heard the other day(from someone who owns a windsurfing retail outlet), board prices for 2007 are about to become even more expensive (or is that even more the "right price"??).
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
26 Jul 2006 12:57pm
Mr. Thouse,

There's a review of a loft boom here
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19756 . I know it's not a gun boom but I think that they're quite similar. They're certainly around the same price, and the loft boom has more extension (145-205 vs 150-200).

I'm quite happy with mine
shi thouse
shi thouse
WA
1159 posts
WA, 1159 posts
26 Jul 2006 3:33pm
The old boom issue of what can stand up to the punishments the best has been around for years. I have an old Hydodynamics boom (blue one). I have heard many stories of people going through one or two of these in a season (before then moving onto another brand). Mine is still going strong (touch wood) and I dont know if its because I wash it after every sail and this minimises any corrosive weaknesses or if its just luck of the draw.

Nebbian, how do you find the ends of the Loft boom - mast and sail leach? ie. quality of mast attachment and ease of tieing off at the leach end.

nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
26 Jul 2006 4:12pm
Bear in mind that I've only had mine a month, but here goes:

Mast clamp is excellent, I've no complaints, apart from the uphaul hole having sharp edges that can fray an uphaul rope.

Leech end is OK, as I wrote in the review it's not as easy as just pulling a loop through the sail and slipping it over a rounded bit of plastic, you have to thread the rope through a couple of pulleys each time you change sails, but it's not a big issue. Takes an extra ten seconds max.

Certainly well worth the price, when you compare it to a North or Pryde boom
hobie14t
hobie14t
QLD
259 posts
QLD, 259 posts
26 Jul 2006 7:30pm
Hi,

I have a prolimit and a sunshine boom, both new as of last season, also have some older booms. The prolimit and the sunshine both very similar, in fact the boom ends are identicle, even the head section is near the same. I guess what I am getting at is, perhaps there is little difference between boom manufacturers?

Seems that they just source the individual components from the same wholesalers? From the pics Ive seen on the net of some other brands the compontents all look like they are from moulds just about.
Crash Landing
Crash Landing
NSW
1173 posts
NSW, 1173 posts
26 Jul 2006 7:32pm
I've got a loft boom, think it's really good - and a lot better than my more expensive sunshine boom, which is a b*tch to get on the mast. My outhaul rope has already broken after 5 months (haven't used it that much) but that's hardly a cause for complaint.

Nebbian - i don't like the loop rope system because if it snaps the sail comes undone. I prefer to loop the roop through the eyelet (once jammed on in the teeth) and tie it off on both sides of the boom - incase the rope snaps or teeth fail.. You just need a long outhaul!
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
26 Jul 2006 6:07pm
Got the loft boom, as it said right price, right product.
Other manufacturers cant justify price, no matter what twaddle they trot out to try justifying. it just doesn’t add up.
Maybe the professional sailors competing, find the 1%'ers in the pricier item is justified, and they get that little edge over competitors. The general user struggles to find difference.
Loft boom. Good price, Good product, Good dealer, who supports his product.
Crash Landing
Crash Landing
NSW
1173 posts
NSW, 1173 posts
26 Jul 2006 9:31pm
The only thing I have to say in favour of more pricy equipment is that i had a cheaper extension which bent in a wave to 90 degrees! The shop said i shouldn't have used it in the waves and at the amount of extension i had it set at. I said "it's called a radz so i assumed it was for "radical" action" he said "no (and didn't find my joke funny), buy a chinook as it's made out of stronger aluminium."

I have no problem buying cheaper equipment if i know is is well made - and i know gun kit and loft booms are. In fact I like it all so much I'm about to buy a load of stuff from Bud.

Can't justify nearly $1000 on 1 sail!
robbo1111
robbo1111
NSW
655 posts
NSW, 655 posts
27 Jul 2006 9:49am
Further to some of the comments here, I have a couple of Gun sails and a Loft boom and have no complaints. I prefer the loft boom to my Pryde carbon wave boom - so much easier to attach to the mast and it doesn't slip. As for the sails, the quality of the Gun wavesails is great for the price you pay and they look the goods too.
Crash Landing
Crash Landing
NSW
1173 posts
NSW, 1173 posts
30 Jul 2006 9:36pm
robbo1111, i've just had delivery of some wave mc's, loft masts and booms and some gun bags . All the kit looks excellent, bags are A* in quality, design and look! And how good do the the MC's look!!

Can't wait to get it all wet (except the bags )
X-man
X-man
WA
325 posts
WA, 325 posts
31 Jul 2006 12:55pm
About the Loft booms, I got the wave one, made of aluminium, and bent one side of it after one month of (heavy) use in mauritius this july... Its the first boom i've bought new, is this normal (I've jumped and looped lots)?
Other than that its easy to use thats for sure.
Crash Landing
Crash Landing
NSW
1173 posts
NSW, 1173 posts
31 Jul 2006 3:13pm
Difficult to say if it normal or not! I've broken and bent plenty of booms - north, fanatic, MK booms (lots of these), windsurfing hawaii. My guess is nothing is indestructable - a lot has to do with luck!
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
31 Jul 2006 7:12pm
What are people doing when they break a boom? Going over the falls?
Crash Landing
Crash Landing
NSW
1173 posts
NSW, 1173 posts
31 Jul 2006 9:51pm
hmm some corroded a little around the bolts at the front and broke when i had bad catapults, some broke after landing a high jump, one broke when i got hit by a gust mid air and somehow ended up falling on theboom with my arm. that hurt as I completely bent the arm (and ended up in a neck brace for 3 weeks) but it was a big jump! I think the worst problems for breaking booms are when you wipe out in shallow enough water for the boom to catch on the sand and therfore increase the pressure as the wave breaks.
X-man
X-man
WA
325 posts
WA, 325 posts
2 Aug 2006 2:07pm
Yeah or if you try loops with the harness hooked in, when landing that makes huge pressure !
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