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nebbian
nebbian
WA
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WA, 6277 posts
24 Feb 2006 9:53pm
OK, I can gybe in 10 knots, as soon as it gets up to 15 I slip off.

The common problem seems to be slipping off the board after changing feet and trying to flip the sail... anyone else have this problem?

Is a common solution to buy some surfboard deck grip, cut it to the right shape and cover the part of the board between the straps?

Or do I have what's known in the industry as "heavy feet"?
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
QLD, 14968 posts
25 Feb 2006 12:09am
hi nebbian,

you definately shouldn't be slipping off. if you own a production board this can be typical. custom boards tend not to suffer from this.

the answer is to apply the glue on grip as you suggest

or to apply a new finish coat. a board repairer can apply the new finish coat to the whole deck area which in effect re-grips the board.

what is your board?
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
25 Feb 2006 1:37am
re deck is available from retail outlets.

Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
25 Feb 2006 12:44pm
Nebbian,

Just found out I've been doing it all wrong!!! This link is quite good.

boardcrazy.com.au

Looking forward to getting out today and giving it a go. Hopefully it will all come together now. Looks like a steady 15-20 headed for Sydney Airport this arvo.

Regards,
Harrow.
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
25 Feb 2006 4:32pm
nice to hear that someone is getting some steady wind
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
25 Feb 2006 7:43pm
Slipping in the middle of a gybe is sooo frustrating!!!!!
You definately need better grip, a lot of production boards have very inferior grip, wears smooth quickly, if it was any good to start with.

The grip on the deck of my boards, is castor sugar sprinkled on to a thin layer of resin, very easy to do and works well. There's profesional stuff on the market, but I think you have to buy much more than you need for one board.
If your deck is a plastic finish epoxy will stick better, but unless you pay extra for a UV stable type it will go brown with sunlight.
If you've got a painted finish, surfboard quality finish/filler resin is the way to go, it's a bit harder, and doesn't go brown, (and it's cheaper). The trick is to get the right thickness, too thin sugar doesn't stick, too thick it takes a more sugar than needed, and adds to the weight. From memory about 150 ml should do the whole deck of an average board.

Was watching my gybes today, and my back foot is further back than I thought, half way between front and backstraps on the rail, instead of just behind front strap. To make the gybe more snappy, put more weight on the back foot.
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
26 Feb 2006 8:54am
to help you stick 2 the board, u need some ballerina booties like me

Not many of us left - even the professor now takes his off just before hopping on his board
racycoot
racycoot
WA
315 posts
WA, 315 posts
27 Feb 2006 12:35pm
i'm a booties man.

thing i was told - most production boards are made for the european market where the water is cold. every1 wears booties. a nice grippy deck wears out booties so they make it slippery instead

problem i have now is that the new booties have a thick rubber pad on each side, just back from the toes. this makes it very difficult to get into the footstraps as the booty sticks as your pushing your foot in
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
WA
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WA, 2331 posts
27 Feb 2006 3:11pm
Hey Neb, Have been concentrating hard on my gybes over the last few weeks and now sticking about 60% of em, although I would hardly call them 'smooth' transitions

anyway, was on a bit of a roll on Saturday and thought "why the hell not, I will try a duck gybe"...never tried one before and, bugger me, pulled it off (the gybe that is).
was stoked... mind you couldn't do it again

what I found with the normal gybes was that the less I thought about it, the easier they were. Just looked where I wanted to go and round it all came. As they say, practice makes perfect.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
27 Feb 2006 4:16pm
Thanks to all for the replies. For the record my board is a 2001 Mistral Flow V105 (105 litres, looks like this one: http://www.mamboo.ru/front/object-prn.jsp?OBJ=svu987156563541

The thing that gets me is that no-one I see out there who can gybe has put extra grip on their board... so I'm obviously doing something wrong. I've even watched someone duck gybe on my board. So frustrating, I know I'm doing something wrong but just can't get it... More practice needed I think, I was very close last session, managed to get around a couple of times but dropped the sail on the flip. Perhaps I'm not doing the ballerina step properly.

Also perhaps grumple has something there... but how do you not think about it when you're doing your best not to fall off?

I'm still thinking about putting some deck grip on though, it would help a lot when in sub-planing conditions.

This week looks good on the forecast, it's building all the way to 35 knots on Saturday!!
Should have plenty of practice falling off in high winds
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
QLD, 14968 posts
27 Feb 2006 7:36pm
i'll try again,

this is an extract

FEET, GRIP AND SAFETY
BARE FEET. Good Sailors have sensitive feet to the extent where they are using individual toe pressure to keep the board on line, something they can't achieve if they're wearing thick boots. Now foot protection is of course sensible if you sail at a venue with a threatening bottom, but increase your 'feel' by selecting the thinnest most subtle shoes that the season allows. Wellingtons are not the way forward.

SLIPPERY DECKS - THE CONFIDENCE SMASHER. The agony of having a foot slide off the deck and crunch into the UJ destroys your self belief to the extent where you cramp up and even try to grip the deck with your toes. A good non-slip deck meanwhile gives you the confidence to dance around and press against the surface with controlled aggression in the manoeuvres. Get it re-covered regularly. You'll never spend a more fruitful amount of money (even less if you do it yourself) on windsurfing gear.

here is the link.. some good stuff on all aspects.

particularly, "stand up" plus "relax" and "boom up"

www.windsurfing.org/train05.htm
oldie
oldie
VIC
356 posts
VIC, 356 posts
2 Mar 2006 12:33am
Neb- THinking that you must BANK your board into the gybe until centrifugal force balances the sideways slipping tendency of the feet. Your effective bodyweight can effectively double during a hard carve, so thisw becomes quite critical. It seems that the most effective turn when just blasting back and forth is the crash gybe, where you backwind the sail to stop you dead without losing any distance to windward, hopefully ending up in a perfect position to pull yourself back to planing. (Not as much fun, though :) )
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
2 Mar 2006 8:22am
Oldie,

I'm banking like a 90's entrepreneur, that's not the trouble. Say I'm on starboard...
Blast along, pull back foot out of strap, put on leeward rail, push mast forward, sheet in and bank board. When it's pointing just past downwind, twist right foot out of strap and place on centerline*, quickly put left foot in front of front straps, now it comes down to a choice of:
a) Forget to slide right hand close to mast
b) Forget to yank the mast as hard as I can towards me
c) Lose balance and fall off either 1) backwards 2) upwind 3)downwind
d) Run into the sandbank

It all comes down to practice I think, at least I've got flare gybes in low wind working. The more times I try it, the more ways of falling off I'll find until finally I fluke a working gybe. And THEN it's a case of replaying the tape, getting it working again, and then my plans for WORLD DOMINATION will finally come to fruition!!! MWA HA HA HA


* I was putting the foot too far outboard, and hence slipping off
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
QLD, 14968 posts
2 Mar 2006 10:58am
Nebbian,

when you push the rig forwards are you rocking forward onto the balls of your feet and into the turn?
Combs
Combs
WA
152 posts
WA, 152 posts
3 Mar 2006 2:02pm
Harrow

That's not a bad site. Interesting though that the guy says to take your back foot out and place it on the inside rail just behind the front strap. When you look at his feet, his back foot is nearer the rear strap.

If you put it 'directly' behind the front strap, you cannot slide your front foot across, as there is no room. I think what these guys are referring to here is that the back foot should be 'in line with' the front strap, but shoulder width apart from your other foot for balance and room.
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