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lalalamort
lalalamort
NSW
160 posts
NSW, 160 posts
27 Nov 2008 10:40pm
I had a moment today where i was trapped under the sail with the harness still attached....was not fun. Anyone have any tricks to avoid this, or how to position harness lines to make it easier to get out? also, how far apart and how far hanging do most people use theirs, ive been experimenting with different positions and cant seem to get it quite right
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15105 posts
WA, 15105 posts
27 Nov 2008 8:58pm
I found that there was no way of avoiding this. During the catapult stage, you are going to end up under the sail once in a while.

My best way of dealing with it was to get used to it and not panic. I know that's not easy to do at the time. I also made sure I knew how to unhook my spreader bar or even unclip the harness while under the sail. Not much fun, but better than the alternative.

If I was teaching someone I would probably even get them to try unhooking while under the sail in controlled conditions, but maybe that's a bit too much enthusiastic?

Having said all this, are you holding on to the boom as you go over the front? I found this tends to help and stops you hitting your mast or boom and getting as twisted up. It also tends to lessen the chance of the mast impacting the nose of the board as much too.

lalalamort
lalalamort
NSW
160 posts
NSW, 160 posts
27 Nov 2008 11:08pm
I that what happened in this particular situation was there was a lull and i pretty much just fell backwards with the sail on top of me. Btw i dont have clips, my harness lines tie onto the boom
lalalamort
lalalamort
NSW
160 posts
NSW, 160 posts
27 Nov 2008 11:10pm
I dont think i was in any danger, i could always come to the surface and breathe....its just an uncomfortable feeling when the chop keeps making you breathe water, but really i would have only been without air for less than half a second or so
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
27 Nov 2008 11:11pm
Happened to me on the weekend. Scary eh. especially when you come up and there's nothing but sail? Like being under ice You just have to remember to not panic, reach down to where the hook is and release. Only scary the first few times, you just have to expect it from time to time, less and less.

There are harnesses with quick release buttons, although I'm not sure it wouldn't be just as quick to release the line from the hook. I've noticed that the toggle on my adjustable lines fits perfectly between the bars of the hook so I wrap tape around the hook to prevent the toggle getting very trapped.

- Line length about elbow to bottom/middle of palm.
- about 3 fingers apart
- about 1/3 between mast and clew of sail

See here:
www.guycribb.com/userfiles/documents/The%20Truth%20About%20Harness%20Lines.pdf
Kila
Kila
7 posts
7 posts
27 Nov 2008 9:38pm
This is what used to scare me!

Best thing is just to keep calm, use one hand to hold the harness line and the other to help remove your hook.

What kind of harness lines do you have? It might be useful to buy adjustable ones - these allow you to experiment with different lengths that suit you and your sailing style. I've got some Dakine ones which are great.
lalalamort
lalalamort
NSW
160 posts
NSW, 160 posts
27 Nov 2008 11:55pm
Just got some old ones, i dont know what type, i should really get some proper modern lines
Kila
Kila
7 posts
7 posts
28 Nov 2008 1:57am
Modern harness lines are better because they can't twist - saving you the scare of not being able to unhook.They have a thick clear tube around the string - so hooking in and out is much easier!
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
28 Nov 2008 7:25am
Not much fun. Last time it happened to me was on Saturday in those strong westerlies at Narrabeen. Sailing along and the wind suddenly swung around and dropped, lost balance and I fell backwards still hooked in. Came up with the sail above me and got a bit worried. Took a breath of air in the pocket of air between the sail and the water and managed to unhook.

I've been using what are fairly short lines, around 60cms. Just connected a set that are 10 cm longer which should make hooking in and out a bit easier. Also getting a Neil Pryde impact vest with harness for Christmas. The harness bar is connected and tightened similar to how a ski boot is tightened. So that should be easier to release in a panic.

Drills could be a good idea.
555
555
892 posts
555 555
892 posts
28 Nov 2008 5:39am
Kila said...

Modern harness lines are better because they can't twist


You can't be trying hard enough! The bad news is that when they do twist, they can be a real mission to untwist.

The key to avoiding getting stuck and twisted is to always hold onto the boom as you catapult. That will stop you spinning around relative to the boom, and you'll only be under the sail, and not tied up in knots as well!

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