How do you calculate ideal board size?

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Wet Willy
Wet Willy
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7 Mar 2006 4:58pm
How do you calculate ideal board size considering a sailor's weight, plus conditions like wind and chop? Nevermind big waves, jeez I'm a long way from that...

If I were an 85kg intermediate (which I am, actually) on my 130-140 litre freride board, planing with a 6.0 for example, when would I say "hey man, my board's just too damn big for this chop! Gonna go get me a smaller one"??

DavMen
DavMen
NSW
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7 Mar 2006 5:20pm
Hi WW
Sorry don't know about calculating - I suppose it all comes down to experience and board shape, But at 85kg (my weight) and a 6.0 (powered up on a plane)you should already be down to about 100-110L.

Cheers
DavMen
steve
steve
WA
108 posts
WA, 108 posts
7 Mar 2006 4:26pm

If you think "damn big for this chop" then it's about time. Some rule was your weight plus gear (85+board+rig=100) but with modern gear you can easily go smaller.

I'm 85kg and I traded in my mistral flow 120 to get a jp free wave 95 early this season. The annoying "bomp bomp" is gone now and also I don't have to land my jumps so hard anymore. If it all feels hard and loud then go smaller.

Cheers,
S.
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
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7 Mar 2006 8:17pm
Thanks for the info... so let me get this straight, if the weight of my board + gear + me equals the volume of the board, I won't sink?

What about when the wind switches off? How much extra volume would you recommend so as to be able to safely uphaul and slog back to the beach in light wind?

...
md74
md74
QLD
1064 posts
QLD, 1064 posts
7 Mar 2006 8:07pm
I have a 106litre F2 stoke, I weigh 86kg, so in theory the "sailor weight plus 20k for rig and board" is about right, I can limp home in 5knots if needed, can uphaul, but it does start to sink depending on where your weight is planted.

hope this info helps
Yousurf
Yousurf
WA
165 posts
WA, 165 posts
7 Mar 2006 6:23pm
It is quite simple really. There is a formula similar to maximum heart rate.

Height(cm) + weight(kg) - age*6.5 = ideal volume of board.

For example.

I am 185cm, 95kg and am 29years old.

185 + 95 - 29*6.5 = 91.5 litres
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
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7 Mar 2006 11:12pm
quote:
Originally posted by Yousurf

It is quite simple really. There is a formula similar to maximum heart rate.

Height(cm) + weight(kg) - age*6.5 = ideal volume of board.

For example.

I am 185cm, 95kg and am 29years old.

185 + 95 - 29*6.5 = 91.5 litres

Lets give that a try
173 + 64 - 37*6.5 = -3.5

Well, I'm off to the shop to get me a smaller board. Actually, I might just attach my sail to a spare house brick. That should do the trick.
Harrow
Harrow
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7 Mar 2006 11:58pm
Gee Wet Willy,

I'm in your position and totally confused. In this thread you're being told to buy a board equal to your body weight plus 15-20 to allow for the weight of your gear.

In another thread I expressed the same chop problems, and was advised to get a board equal to just my body weight !!!

Anyway, looks like I'm headed for body weight + 14. My existing board is body weight + 41, so it's gonna be a big improvement. Just hope I make it home when the wind drops.

Regards,
Harrow.
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
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QLD, 6491 posts
7 Mar 2006 11:13pm
is that taking good old B.O.D.M.A.S into account?
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
8 Mar 2006 12:17am
quote:
Originally posted by Haircut

is that taking good old B.O.D.M.A.S into account?

Ok Haircut, I'm waiting for the punch-line. Give it to us, I want to go to bed.
Haircut
Haircut
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7 Mar 2006 11:25pm
your going to be very disappointed

brackets, of, division, multiplication, addition, subtraction
drjukka
drjukka
QLD
258 posts
QLD, 258 posts
8 Mar 2006 12:01am
Hey WW.

Much Confusion out there!!!! ]

I'm 86-88 kg and ride a range of boards from 65 L up to 105 L

I have also been sailing for 20+ years so you learn a few tricks on how to get moving in marginal conditions.

Width & volume of board around the mast track is something I find critical. If you have too little width and volume in this area when you pump the sail to get on the plane all you end up doing is driving the board under water. (you have this feeling of plenty of grunt in the sail and when you direct the drive through the mast foot all that happens is you go underwater - too little volume in this situation !! - even when running off the wind)

My rule of thumb(s) are as follows

(marginal conditions 12-15 kn_ 105 Litre (BW+ ~20)
(Solid (14-26 kn) 95 Litre (BW + 10) - full sinking rig
(Strong 17-42 knots) - 80 Litre BW -5
Very Solid (20+ steady) 68 litre possible


We talk about board volume a lot but we should not underestimate the importance of fin size.

Changing fin can dramatically effect a board's performance in both light and strong conditions.
- J


Deano
Deano
WA
255 posts
WA, 255 posts
7 Mar 2006 10:10pm
Go to a good windsurf shop and demo a few boards ranging from 95 to 110.

Buy the one that most suits you and the conditions you sail in the most.After trying a smaller board you will find your old board a barge.

I'm 90kg. Have a 95 but most often on an 80. But it is pretty windy in these parts.

Deano
Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
NSW
1871 posts
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8 Mar 2006 2:00am
I'd be looking at a board that suits the conditions you want to sail in. Use it for those conditions and you should be sailing most of the time and not slogging. I've been sailing boards equal to or less then my weight for over 10 years and only been caught out half a dozen time or so. Either you swim, which is good exercise or wait a bit until the wind comes up to slogging speed. I agree with Dr Jukka, the volume distribution plays a big role in sloggability. I have an 85 litre wave board which feels more stable and floaty than my 86L SuperX board.
Des
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
QLD, 14968 posts
8 Mar 2006 1:01am
totally agree Drjukka.

fin is a big part of it.
steve
steve
WA
108 posts
WA, 108 posts
8 Mar 2006 12:44am
Well, it's just not that simple. I could have gone for the 85l as it is about 4cm less length and 1.5cm less width or something compared to the 93l (not 95). hell if I'd ever know the difference. But since this is my only board, I thought a little extra volume won't hurt in light conditions or when the wind drops or I'm trying to get out of another half completed gybe. I think
at really good skill levels usually people end up with their bodyweight as board volume.

S.
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
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8 Mar 2006 3:11pm

Well, heck. Here I am with a 130l freeride and a 140l slalom, getting ready for a long holiday in Vietnam during the monsoon season. Oh, bum. Poo. Poopies.

I cannot even IMAGINE a board under 100l. Practically nobody here in Singapore goes close to 100l, including real experts who weigh 60 kilos or so.

Lately I've been taking my 220l+ Mistral longboard out in 6.5m sail conditions and BIG chop. Needless to say, you can hear the nose of the board smacking down from miles away...BAM! BAM! BAM!

...OK, I'll look into the small board thing for Vietnam. I really appreciate all you guy's advice n stuff.
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