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Katy
Katy
WA
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23 Nov 2005 10:26am


Finally cracked the hooked in/footstraps planing AND Water starting in the same Session!!!!

Muchos Thanks for all the useful tips everyone.
Well done Nebbian for waterstarting! That got me trying again

Also apologies to anyone at Pelipoint yesterday who was deafened by woops and screams of jubilation as I zoomed along

How do you chop hop and jump?
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
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QLD, 7436 posts
23 Nov 2005 2:49pm
Way to go !! The exuberance of your post takes me back to my first experience of plaining in the straps. What a buzz that was.

So chop hops and jumps next eh? theres no stopping you.
It'll take a little more time on the water I'd guess. You need to be comfortable at speed before you can jump.

Anyway - Chop hops:-
The key things are 1)Speed - its your friend so go fast. 2)Picking your ramp - shape is more important than size, the steeper the better. 3) Timing your pop - As you approach your ramp swing over the board a bit and then as your nose deflects up the ramp extend your back foot quickly and firmly. You should aim to push the back of your board into the trough in front of the ramp. If your timing is right you will skoot into the air with very little effort. Once you have perfected your timing try it unhooked using a bit of a downward push on the boom just before extending your foot.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
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23 Nov 2005 4:34pm
No worries Katy,

Glad that I inspired someone! I was starting to think that people were annoyed with all the nooby questions

Well done on the footstraps!
I'm still getting there, I'm sure that you'll hear my whoops of disbelief if I ever get back that far
junior freestyle
junior freestyle
QLD
546 posts
QLD, 546 posts
23 Nov 2005 10:49pm
yes that first planning session i remember myn i had a 3 meter up and an old board from the dump and after a week or two of light wind sailing a strong northerly came through and once on the plane i though "my arms hert" so i discoverd the harness and from that point on i was absolutaly HOOKED
drjukka
drjukka
QLD
258 posts
QLD, 258 posts
23 Nov 2005 11:15pm
Katy,

Not much of a "legendary jumper" but my tips are as follows:

Chop Hop/small jump:

Look forward and find a piece of chop with a sharp face or one coming at a slightly sharper angle. (I am aloways looking 20-50 meters ahead for the right piece of chop) You need to find something that you will hit close to a crest (just before (say 90% of the crest) is usually OK and sometimes better as you get less lift and more control - good for beginners) If it is breaking you are probably in the wrong spot - I like to be about 1-2 metres up wind of the breaking part of the wave/chop.

At full speed, As you move up the chop push down on the back foot to bring the board up into the wind and sharpen the angle of attack on the chop - sheet in a little (you can stay in the harness ropes). - as you hit the lip of the wave/chop lift slightly with your front foot and "voila' - you are in the air.

As a beginner I would advocate being out of the harness ropes - this usually means less catapaults as you land. The bigger the wave/ jump the less likely I am to be in the harness ropes.

The trick now is to stay in control and land well.

Drag that back foot in behind you (and up) and let the board drift/sail down wind (sheet out but keep pressure on the sail to maintain power) to get max fly on the jump . Try to land soft - I'm no expert in this area but I aim to land the board around the mast track or just behind with some forward motion. If you come straight down (vertical flat you will know about it). Once you have landed sheet in to put the power down again.

Try to be gentle on the back leg when you land to avoid 'railing up' into the wind and stalling.(Don't sheet in too hard) If you are not careful here you can also suffer spin out. Sail down wind - get back on the plane and off you go.

Best tip: go and watch some folks doing it. Ask the locals: - Every one will have some slightly different tips.

FYI. It is possible to jump 12 foot boards - so most of the modern equipment will get airborne if you know how.

You will have plenty of stacks and catapaults and spin outs; you will land the board flat and plant the nose - this is a 'normal' experience- keep trying.

When you nail the first jump and sail off you will be hooked!!

-J
sinker
sinker
WA
255 posts
WA, 255 posts
23 Nov 2005 9:41pm
Way to go Katy..!!!

My tip,

Go fast. Look for a nice shaped trough in front of the wave. Follow the shape of the trough by pushing down gently with your back foot, (don't push from the side like when you're hooning in a straight line), get a bit more central over the board.

Ping....when you come off the wave your board will be pointing in the upwards direction and you'll be airborne....deep joy!

worry about landing later.
sinker
sinker
WA
255 posts
WA, 255 posts
23 Nov 2005 9:43pm
PS I always jump hooked in but thats up to you
mdjnelson
mdjnelson
WA
33 posts
WA, 33 posts
24 Nov 2005 6:16am
It's very similar to ollieing on a skatie, cept your feet are restricted alot more in the foot straps, so it doesnt have quite the same amount of leg movement involved.

5 in the morning now, g2g to work.
skinny
skinny
QLD
45 posts
QLD, 45 posts
24 Nov 2005 4:33pm
Ah, great to hear your lerning curve stories.

As a seasoned sailor,You forget how frustrating it is as a beginner, learning the basics, and the joy you get when you finally pin it.

Theres nothing like the feeling of full blast planning in 20kn+ on a summers day. I remeber back in 91 i hire some gear from a woman down at Applecross and she asked my sailing ability. i had been sailing wallies for a few years,but no shortboard experience, and she gave me a shortboard with a 5'7 sail. the grin on my face was a sight to see. nothing like it.

Keep us posted on your further 'challenges'

G
Combs
Combs
WA
152 posts
WA, 152 posts
24 Nov 2005 6:15pm
I too have had a little attempt from time to time (while no-one is looking), but have had no idea how to approach the situation.

When you are saying approach the chop, I assume you mean to approach the chop at 90degrees, as if you are heading straight out from a beach with the swell coming straight on shore.

If that is the case, if you are going flat out, you will be skipping across the tops of the chop so to speak. Does this mean that you are looking for a bigger chop in the set with a more defined trough in front of it, and that as you are leaving the top of the previous chop you push with your back foot straight down onto the water (with your board in between your foot and the water obviously)?

To do this I get the impression you need to stand more upright on the board and come into the board more, as your legs will be straight up to this point and pushing on the side of the board.

FilthyAmatuer
FilthyAmatuer
WA
877 posts
WA, 877 posts
25 Nov 2005 12:01am
unhook, bend your legs and pushdown hard as u hit the chop and feel the board lift... u will prolly stack it a few times, but its all part of learning :) oh yeh... sheet in as your jump...
Matt
Matt
WA
84 posts
WA, 84 posts
25 Nov 2005 1:15pm
When you get to the in the air stage you can:

1) sheet in to bring the nose of the board down and land nose first (keeps the speed up)
2) sheet out to drop the tail of the board and land tail first (feels safer and has less risk of landing flat and 'slapping' the board.
3) spin out on landing often occurs when you land pointing more upwind than in the direction you took off from. Bearing off a little while in the air remedies this, and can be done by showing the windward rail of the board to the wind (also gives jump more height) and by sheeting in.

Happy flying
ky
ky
WA
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ky ky
WA, 38 posts
25 Nov 2005 1:26pm
Katy

Windsurfing is one of those sports that is very hard to teach. Best to just go out and do it. You land on in water so its never to bad :-) Only advice i was given when learning to jump is to

'sail in the air' do what you would do it you where on the water

Have fun, you will be looooping in no time

mdjnelson
mdjnelson
WA
33 posts
WA, 33 posts
25 Nov 2005 2:39pm
Is it critical you unhook the harness to do jumps?
FilthyAmatuer
FilthyAmatuer
WA
877 posts
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25 Nov 2005 3:10pm
nope... but i would when u are learning otherwise u can eat **** or get catapulted...

I normally jump in lines now, unless its a big wave, staying in lines means u stay sheeted it... which can cause u to land nose first, probably isnt good while u are learning
Katy
Katy
WA
44 posts
WA, 44 posts
25 Nov 2005 3:48pm
Thank you thank you thank you, your replies make it all sound very possible - the wipe outs especially. I will stack it with pride and hopefully some style and panache

I guess Corro is the ideal place for this new learning curve... Hooray Holiday!!!!

Good luck Combs and Nebbian
(and everyone else)
whyner
whyner
NSW
762 posts
NSW, 762 posts
25 Nov 2005 8:11pm
Just sheet in real hard, let your weight go forward, pull your legs up and you will be jumping like a trooper in no time
decrepit
decrepit
WA
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25 Nov 2005 6:52pm
Coros is indeed the place to learn, but it's not chop hopping!!!! Getting air there is almost impossible to avoid!! And plenty of it, and it's a bit too crowded to abandon gear mid jump if it all goes wrong.
So yeh, at first unhook before jump, otherwise landing nose first will lead to big catapault.
Main thing in the air, is not to let windward rail down so wind gets on top of the board, that will send you into a power dive, I did that once and was on crutches for a month. Control this with your feet, hold the rail up.
Try and land to the side of the board not over it, with your legs bent, do a flat landing straight over the board with straight legs, can damage you and the board.
And don't try nose first landings untill your fairly confident, just before hitting the water, you can extend the back leg a little to land stern first.
Combs
Combs
WA
152 posts
WA, 152 posts
25 Nov 2005 11:12pm
Good on you Katy. I was going to give all this a go over the weekend, as I have been working for the past two weeks. We have had great afternoon sea breezes here in Perth during that time. Of course this weekend is forcast to be less than ordinary, so I will probably have to practice mowing the lawn and washing the car instead
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
27 Nov 2005 11:07pm
Combs,

Picking ramps in chop is an acquired skill. There are a brazillian of em out there but when you go hunting for them they all turn out to be somehow not right. Its particularly galling when you come upon a set of 3 perfect ramps with a crap one in front so you can't get at the good ones with any speed. As for approach yes its better to approach them close to front on, but if it means you lose a lot of speed then its no good. You can get a good pop off a steep face with an approach as much as 45 degrees from straight on. It's helpful if you sail at a site that has wind waves refracting around a point. This makes the chop a bit tidier as well as giving it a better angle to the wind. Even better is ocean swell with a side shore wind. Pick a small day to start with. River mouths (ungroined ones)tend to have a broad area of shallowish water with reforming swell that can offer absolutely brilliant jumping on the right tide.

As for coming over the board, yes you do, sort of. When ramp hunting sail with you knees bent with lots of weight in your harness. When you spot your ramp you swing a bit over the board by bending your knees even more. When you extend your back leg to pop its not absolutely vertical... I'm trying to recall what its like... doesn't matter. You'll only get it by practice and feel anyway. You can't go too inboard because you would have to sheet out and you shouldn't sheet out before you are in the air.

Nuf said. Go and do it.
Combs
Combs
WA
152 posts
WA, 152 posts
27 Nov 2005 10:04pm
Thanks NotWal

As promised, the wind this weekend has been rubbish, so no chance to do anything imaginative. I will be holding my breath for next weekend.
JeremyJ
JeremyJ
4 posts
4 posts
17 Dec 2005 2:38am
Way to go, Scarlet! Well done! Remind me to bring you over a parachute...

Katy
Katy
WA
44 posts
WA, 44 posts
19 Dec 2005 12:53am
Hahahaa Jezza that is a secret code name, I dont' think even a parachute will help me jump in the pants no wind though such a sneaky seabreeze today do'h not got kit and at beach darn it there came seabreeze and there came the lucky people with cars to carry kit AAAAAAARRRGGHHHH my sail will shrivel up
JeremyJ
JeremyJ
4 posts
4 posts
19 Dec 2005 1:39am
Well there's plenty of wind here - it's just that it's about minus 5 degrees and has sleet, hail and small frozen farm-animals in it. Not to worry - the wind-gods will be arriving on the same plane as us!
Bertie
Bertie
NSW
1351 posts
NSW, 1351 posts
20 Dec 2005 2:54am
learning to jump hooked in only hurts a few times but u learn to jump better i rekon.
plus it sets you up for doing 1 handed jumps, rail grabs and even puts u towards doing 1 handed fronts etc!

i nearly always jump hooked in unless:
* the wave is over 1/2 mast
* wave is fully vert
* i'm tweakin a jump

each to their own with regards to jumping styles. it wont take long until you work out your own style and what u feel most comfortable doing. the best thing is to watch what some good sailors are doing snd try to imitate.
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