How do you surf a wave? (Beginner)

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nebbian
nebbian
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29 Jul 2005 9:43pm
Hi,

I bought an ancient Bombora windsurfer a couple of months ago, and have been having a ball learning to sail it. This board is vintage, it's around 25 years old and is damn heavy. Floats really well though I can sail around quite comfortably on the local lakes and rivers, so thought I'd try giving the open ocean a go.

Yesterday I took it out to Corrumbin, sailed around the estuary to get my confidence up, then blasted off into the wild blue yonder... the waves were only around 50 cm high which was good for me! Going out into the waves was no problem, the board just seemed to punch through them but after I'd turned around and decided to go back in that's when the problems started.

No matter what I did, when a wave picked up the back of the board, the front would dive down into the water and the whole thing would nosedive to a standstill, throwing me off the front and giving me a devil of a time trying to haul up the sail in the middle of crashing (well OK, mildly bubbling) surf.

Any tips/tricks? Is there another place that I should be asking? It seems most of you guys are waaaay above my level...
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
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30 Jul 2005 2:02pm
You're definitely way above my level.

I wouldn't even contemplate waves on one of those.

Take it to Margs and follow waveslave on his waves, I'm sure you will get a few tips.

best winds
Tony L
decrepit
decrepit
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30 Jul 2005 6:22pm
Well you're definately in the right place.
Are you sure this is a wave board? Sounds like it hasn't got enough rocker to me.
I guess if you're going too slow or are too far forward on the board a wave board could nose dive, but you should have made a few of them ok. So I suspect it's something to do with the board. I've never used an old bombora, but from memory their wave boards should be able to catch waves without that much trouble.
If your keen on wave riding, or any other aspect of windsurfing, you'll find a modern board a worthwhile investment, they've come a long way in the last 25 years!!!!!!
Greenroom
Greenroom
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30 Jul 2005 8:37pm
the only way you'll be getting tips from slave is if you detatch the sail and hang onto a kite
Ian Grose
Ian Grose
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31 Jul 2005 9:52am
Sounds like you need to try the old method of a milk crate behind your car turn your board upside down jam the nose under your bumper, put some black plastic over the nose to generate some heat and leave it in the sun with some weight on the tail. Take the plastic off and let it cool.

Easy more rocker, but it does flaten out.

Better option is buy a wave board.

Good luck,

Ian
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Haircut 4000
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31 Jul 2005 12:52pm
quote:
Originally posted by Ian Grose

Sounds like you need to try the old method of a milk crate behind your car turn your board upside down jam the nose under your bumper, put some black plastic over the nose to generate some heat and leave it in the sun with some weight on the tail. Take the plastic off and let it cool.




What's the point in telling the poor guy how McDonalds cook their food?

nebbian
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31 Jul 2005 5:11pm
Thanks for the responses, I thought it was something to do with standing further back (I was reasonably forward on that day to try to push the sail forward) so I'll give it a go next time I'm out there.

This is definitely not a wave board, it's for beginners to bumble around on lakes but that just makes it more of a challenge! Great fun.

Pulling up the sail when the board is parallel to the waves is unbelievably difficult, I get the sail just out of the water and a wave comes along to spoil the party. Point the board any other way and there's no problem. *sigh* If it was easy, everyone would be doing it I guess.

I went out again today and have learnt the value of the harness that I don't have... my arms stopped working after an hour of pulling up that damn sail, I would get the sail up but then my arms wouldn't be able to hang onto and position the sail properly! Oh well, at least it's making me stronger
decrepit
decrepit
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31 Jul 2005 6:06pm
OK so your next trick is to learn to waterstart, uphauling in waves is just too hard!!!

And Ian wasn't kidding about bending your board, I was talking to a mate today who was into windsurfing at it's start, and that's what he also suggested, it was common practice back then. He also said your board may have lost it's original rocker if it hadn't been stored very well (upsidedown in a hot shed or the sun)
curac
curac
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2 Aug 2005 12:39pm
did you buy that from ken last year?
nebbian
nebbian
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10 Aug 2005 8:56pm
Thanks Ian and Decrepit for the rocker suggestions. I thought it was very funny that my board was off its rocker

So yesterday I got out some black plastic and a heap of bricks, and measured the board as it slowly bent over backwards... I stopped after about 5 minutes, I thought it looked about right. Amazing how much it bends in only a couple of minutes of sunlight on black plastic hey! I was using a lot of weight though

Thisafternoon I went out to Corrumbin to try it out, and the difference was like chalk and cheese! Going out into the pounding surf was less like punching holes through it, and more like riding over the top. After my standard half an hour of trying to turn around in the surf I managed to get going again, and to my utter amazement I managed to catch a wave! This is the first wave I've ever caught standing up (never surfed before) and I have to say it's an amazing feeling. The back of the board lifted up a bit, the new rocker made sure the bow was still above the water, and my speed just sort of slowly aaaacccceeelerated until I was going at the same speed as the wave. Of course, all good things come to an end and I spent the rest of the afternoon cursing my weak arms and poor balance as I uphauled again and again, but even if I only catch one wave per outing I reckon it's a successful trip

There were a couple of teabaggers out there, one who gave me a friendly wave and kept his distance, another one who was a total arrogant pr!ck and crossed my bows with literally millimetres to spare, if I hadn't seen him coming and dropped the sail then the lines would have hit the mast and.. well I'd rather not think about what would have happened there. Honestly I wasn't moving around very much, it's not like I'm breaking world speed records, most of the time I'm dead in the water. What makes them think they can be such waterhogs? And he was quite well in control of his rig, he was doing crazy jumps and so on, it was quite obvious that he changed course to intercept me... *sigh* Maybe I need to bring a paintballgun next time [}:)]

btw what are the rules of the road with regard to wandering around out past the breakers? When I saw him coming I slowed down, knowing that I was liable to drop the sail anyway, he was going to go way in front of me, then for some reason he thought it would be fun to scare the newbie. Grrrr!

Thanks again for your help. I'm loving this sport!
decrepit
decrepit
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10 Aug 2005 9:49pm
Hey, that's fantastic, didn't think the bending process would be quite that quick!!

Rules out the back, are standard yachting, give way to starboard.
Once in the wave zone, it changes, and there are different thoughts on this, historicaly different wave breaks have evolved there own etiquette, to suit local conditions, so it's best to ask a local what to do in waves. But as a general idea if it's big and gnarly and you're riding a wave in, don't force somebody strugling out into the breaking wave. If your flying out and in control, don't get in the way of somebody getting a good down the line wave. Some have the idea that there's a blanket rule that riders going out have right of way, however that doesn't suit all locations and locals don't necessarily ride that way.

And anybody coming dangerously close just because he (don't think this is a female type of action) can scare the sh-- out of you is definately out of order, (no mater what they're on) trouble is the more intimidated you act, the more fun he has.
One of my mates threatened to fit one of those emergency kiter string cutting devices to his mast tip, point it out to the kiter as he passes and see how close he wants to come then!!!

Looks like you're hooked, wait till you're water starting a short board in 15-20 knots, and see how much fun it is then!!!!
waveslave
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12 Aug 2005 10:11am
Oh my,
A sharp knife lashed to the top of the mast.
Now that's not very nice, Decrep.[}:)]

Windsurfing masts have diminished in length over the past 5 years;
I'm thinking that's a beneficial move for both kiters and poleys.

Regards
'slave
gazza
gazza
WA
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12 Aug 2005 11:41am
Why should a shorter mast be a benefit to a kiter Slave?

You shouldn't be that ****in close anyway!!!!
waveslave
waveslave
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12 Aug 2005 11:56am
Hey Gazza,
I'm looking forward to the day when advances in rig technology drops the mast length to say;
2 metres or so.

Then poleys could slot into the barrel. Cool hey.

Regards
'slave
nebbian
nebbian
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12 Aug 2005 4:27pm
'Slave:
I'm looking forward to the day when advances in kiting technology mean that they don't use lines at all. Yeah, attach friggin' tractor beams to the stupid things! And their wetsuits have a 10,000 volt electric shocker attachment that automatically triggers when they are in close proximity to anyone else.

Failing that, I'd settle for the skill to be able to sail as fast as they can, so I can give them a verbal lesson in etiquette. Might take a while though *sigh*
waveslave
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12 Aug 2005 6:42pm
Hey Nebbian,
I've got a sneaky suspicion that you're a farmer.
Am I right?

Cockys are cool.

Regards
'slave
decrepit
decrepit
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12 Aug 2005 7:24pm
quote:
Originally posted by waveslave

Oh my,
A sharp knife lashed to the top of the mast.
Now that's not very nice, Decrep.[}:)]
Regards
'slave


G'Day slave, did you get a blast today?? I piked out, went to the movies instead!

Had a feeling you wouldn't like the safety knife idea, but it would only be a problem in a collision with fine lines scenario. (If the lines hadn't cut thru the mast first that is!)
waveslave
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12 Aug 2005 8:05pm
No blasting today, Decrep.
I'm crook with a bad bug, stay away from me.
Hoping tomorrow I'll be fit again.
Could be awful windy though.

A house opposite Robbys lost its roof this afternoon.

Regards
'slave
decrepit
decrepit
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12 Aug 2005 8:12pm
quote:
Originally posted by waveslave

No blasting today, Decrep.
I'm crook with a bad bug, stay away from me.
A house opposite Robbys lost its roof this afternoon.



That's what having kids at school does for you, I was always getting sick working at Jane's
Certainly had a strong blast thru here early arvo, but I'm sure we've had stronger. Guess that roof was in the path of a freak gust.
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