How many Litres??

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Steptoes Son
Steptoes Son
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7 Oct 2006 12:09pm
How does one determine the capacity (in Litres) of a sailboard?
Is it a matter of measuring dimensions and applying some mathematic formula? Or is it a process in estimating?

Simon.
Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
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7 Oct 2006 10:56am
You need to conduct an experiment!

Aim:

Determine board volume.

Apparatus:

beer x 10 cartons
board

Method:

Weigh one bottle of beer.
Head to your nearest windsuring spot.
Put board in knee deep water.
Place beer on board, one at a time until it sinks.

Results:

Multiply weight of single beer by the number of beers it took to make your board sink. Bingo, volume.

Discussion:

Drink beer with all windsurfers who took part in experiement or observed from beach.

PS: I am in Perth, let me know when and where you will be doing experiment

Cheers
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
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7 Oct 2006 11:40am
Onya Pugwash, beats the old "weights and a swimming pool" method

A slight mod to Pugwash's method is to stand on the board, and get people to pass beers to you until you just start to sink... weigh yourself and the beer, minus a kilo or two 'cos you're in salt water and bingo you've got your volume. Of course, getting someone to actually pass you the beer instead of just drinking it is an issue!

You can try this with different sized sailors at your local, with the offer of a free beer at the end of it I'm sure you'll get someone who weighs close to your board volume to lend a hand
decrepit
decrepit
WA
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7 Oct 2006 6:09pm
Sorry to quibble, but as well as the adjustment for fresh/salt water. You've also got to add the weight of the board to get volume. The weight of beers just gives you it's floatation/buoyancy

Perhaps I shouldn't say "just" it's buoyancy we're really interested in.
Steptoes Son
Steptoes Son
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7 Oct 2006 8:20pm
So. To summerize.

I weigh the board.

I then float it somewhere, pile on something weighable and see how much it takes to sink it.

Board weight + piled on wieght weight = litre capacity.

If I do this in my pool, how much difference is there between sea and pool (fresh) water?

Cheers Simon.
mineral1
mineral1
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7 Oct 2006 6:31pm
If I do this in my pool, how much difference is there between sea and pool (fresh) water?

Dunno, never tried it with beer.
thecat
thecat
VIC
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7 Oct 2006 8:34pm
also, what happens if you need to pee during the experiment, do you have to measure volume and then add that back ??
decrepit
decrepit
WA
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7 Oct 2006 7:29pm
quote:
Originally posted by REN658



If I do this in my pool, how much difference is there between sea and pool (fresh) water?

Cheers Simon.



From my ancient memory it takes about 10% more weight to sink in seawater
decrepit
decrepit
WA
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7 Oct 2006 7:31pm
quote:
Originally posted by thecat

also, what happens if you need to pee during the experiment, do you have to measure volume and then add that back ??


No just weigh yourself when experiment finishes.
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
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7 Oct 2006 9:56pm
or stop looking so deeply into things and just go bloody sailing instead
Steptoes Son
Steptoes Son
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QLD, 88 posts
7 Oct 2006 9:59pm


Valid!!
greenleader
greenleader
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7 Oct 2006 11:16pm
no one actually knows the volume of any board on the planet,
of all the years i've seen catalogues and propaganda, never have i seen evidence of a submersion tank or any apparatus which proves volume! most shapers on maui i've met go "hey dude, lets call this shape the 96, its got a good ring to it"
my 93 is your 102!
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
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7 Oct 2006 9:21pm
quote:
If I do this in my pool, how much difference is there between sea and pool (fresh) water?



Seawater is about 3% denser than fresh water (just googled it). But you want to do it in fresh water anyway, makes the maths easier to figure out, no adjustments necessary as 1 millilitre of fresh water weighs 1 gram. As decrepit said, you've got to add in the weight of the board, I forgot about that before...
I think you've got to measure the board dry weight, not the wet weight (footstraps get heavier when they're wet).

So to summarise:
1. Weigh the board dry.
2. Pile on some weights so that the board juuust starts to sink. Not so much that the weights go under, as then the density of your weights starts to come into it.
3. Board weight + weights = volume.

All you're after is a ballpark figure anyway, aren't you?
decrepit
decrepit
WA
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7 Oct 2006 9:56pm
quote:
Originally posted by nebbian



Seawater is about 3% denser than fresh water (just googled it).



So much for my memory, perhaps I was retrieving the dead sea figures???

For my own boards I weigh the shaped blank, (known density) then add on the extra sandwich volume.
That's going to be close enough.
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
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8 Oct 2006 12:24am
dimension is a vibe discussion, only displaced water holds, well.... 'water' in this discussion.
does anyone here actually personally know what the volume of their board is?
with proof?
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
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8 Oct 2006 1:46am
I thought IFCA/ISAF have a submersion tank. Theirs is the most reliable source of volume and it sometimes differs a fair bit from the manufacturer. Fanatic's excuse with the 05 Falcons is that volume is a marketing tool then when they actually designed the board it had less than the marketed volume but they kept it and said it's "virtual volume". Unfortunately with the falcon virtual volume didnt really work cause they spread it too thin. I do believe in virtual volume- hypersonics convinced me of that.

Bah bloody board manufacturers- nothing is constant. Take length for example some manufacturers take it as length along rocker others take it as straight length... how about some damn consistency. I'd say up to 5L difference in boards is acceptable, I was surprised that my f2 SX is 5L out but figured that maybe volume figures were calculated on CAD outside dimensions and then with the cutouts and all the rest 5L was eaten up.

If you are concerned about volume or any other measurement of a new board- race, slalom, speed, freewave/freestyle and wave are all covered on IFCA list. Old boards, just compare and take it for a sail with similar sized boards and you will get a pretty good ballpark figure.
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