How many people windsurf in Oz ?

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Rider5
Rider5
WA
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1 Aug 2010 2:02pm
I was just wondering (This has been the worst lack of wind winter for me EVER! I have way too much time on my hands) How many people windsurf in Australia ?

When I drive along the coast in summer I see different amounts at different spots I tried to add them all up then doubled it to cover for people at work or not there with other commitments, I reckon by my crazy visual calculations we would have 500 in Perth.
What do you reckon Perth people? am I close or way off with 500
What about other cities around OZ ?
KenHo
KenHo
NSW
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1 Aug 2010 4:36pm
Dunno, but it would be a valuable exercise for the industry for it to do a census. Not sure how would capture everyone though.
MattL
MattL
WA
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1 Aug 2010 2:57pm
No wind in WA, so count us out on the tally.......
lao shi
lao shi
WA
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1 Aug 2010 3:46pm
gpsteamchallenge.com.au
Lists 107 registered for WA
I reckon there are at least twice that number that sail on the river that aren't in the challenge. Add in the ocean and I think that sounds reasonable.
Anybody up for a game of Scrabble?
Ian K
Ian K
WA
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1 Aug 2010 5:04pm
Only 500 in Australia's windiest city of 1.47 million people! That's only 1 in every 3,000 people.
I think Australia's least windy city Canberra (pop 345,000) would run to a similar ratio. That proves wind does nothing to attract windsurfers.

Haven't been here long, but the Illawarra with a pop of 278,000 doesn't seem to even match that ratio.
Brent in Qld
Brent in Qld
WA
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1 Aug 2010 5:59pm
I rekon there's at least 10 of us in Brisbane, maybe more if you count retirees
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
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1 Aug 2010 8:02pm
^ lol

there was 686 people registered with the AWA last season.

6 of those were windsurfers and the rest are sailboarders
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
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1 Aug 2010 8:09pm
On Lake macquarie I reckon 20 or so..?? Don't know about the surf..
Reflex Films
Reflex Films
WA
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1 Aug 2010 6:49pm
its more than you would think..

about 800 -1000 new boards are sold in oz each year - with most windsurfers buying a board every 2 or 3 years i would say that makes for around 3000 or so.

Plus casual die hards on old gear.
Windxtasy
Windxtasy
WA
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1 Aug 2010 7:19pm
lao shi said...

Anybody up for a game of Scrabble?


Sure. I like scrabble
KenHo
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NSW
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1 Aug 2010 9:38pm
Where did you get those figures from ?

Reflex Films said...

its more than you would think..

about 800 -1000 new boards are sold in oz each year - with most windsurfers buying a board every 2 or 3 years i would say that makes for around 3000 or so.

Plus casual die hards on old gear.


nick0
nick0
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1 Aug 2010 9:43pm
thiers a list for all the registered sail numbers in aus . also shows how many for each state
Mobydisc
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1 Aug 2010 10:05pm
nick0 said...

thiers a list for all the registered sail numbers in aus . also shows how many for each state


That would not be an accurate measure of the number of people windsurfing. Most windsurfers don't have sail numbers registered to them. Possibly the only way to measure the number of windsurfers would be for a census to be taken at places where windsurfing takes place.

Such a census would require at least one person to travel around Australia to known windsurfing locations, counting sails, interviewing windsurfers and from this getting the required data. Talking to windsurfer retailers and getting customer numbers would help too.
P.C_simpson
P.C_simpson
WA
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1 Aug 2010 8:05pm
There would prob be at least 1000 in W.A i think, if you add all the guys that sail a few times a year or even once every 2 years but still call them selves sailors..

think about the different hubs in this massive state esperance, Margs, Perth, Gero etc.. then the other states would all add up to a bit..
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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1 Aug 2010 10:23pm
Mobydisc said...

nick0 said...

thiers a list for all the registered sail numbers in aus . also shows how many for each state


.....would require at least one person to travel around Australia to known windsurfing locations, counting sails, interviewing windsurfers and from this getting the required data.


Yeah I'll volunteer.......
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
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1 Aug 2010 11:49pm
How many people windsurf in OZ?
When my favourate places are going off I wish it was only me and a few good mates that windsurf
pierrec45
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2 Aug 2010 6:27am
Wow 1000 would not be much. The registered count cannot possibly be indicative.

But let's say there are 1000 new buys a year, at say $5k a pop (with rigs, bits, etc.), that's only a $5 million industry. That's a very small volume of business. Spread amongst 5-8 different makers, it's no wonder new equipment is expensive...
KenHo
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2 Aug 2010 8:05am
I dunno, I think it an on-line census would be more achievable. An incentive to participate would help. Most people who sail are tech-savvy enough to have computer access for that and word-of-mouth might help catch the few who don't pay attention or care.




Mobydisc said...

nick0 said...

thiers a list for all the registered sail numbers in aus . also shows how many for each state


That would not be an accurate measure of the number of people windsurfing. Most windsurfers don't have sail numbers registered to them. Possibly the only way to measure the number of windsurfers would be for a census to be taken at places where windsurfing takes place.

Such a census would require at least one person to travel around Australia to known windsurfing locations, counting sails, interviewing windsurfers and from this getting the required data. Talking to windsurfer retailers and getting customer numbers would help too.



shannon8888
shannon8888
NSW
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2 Aug 2010 9:49am
seriously guys out side of metro areas a one armed man could count the windsurfers and still have fingers left over so 500 world wide would be a stretch
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
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2 Aug 2010 11:54am
Next time the Govt does a census, they should include the question "How many people in your household consider themselves to be windsurfers?"

...I don't see any other way
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
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2 Aug 2010 1:21pm
KenHo said...

I dunno, I think it an on-line census would be more achievable. An incentive to participate would help. Most people who sail are tech-savvy enough to have computer access for that and word-of-mouth might help catch the few who don't pay attention or care.


I'll write a GUI Interface in Visual Basic to track their IP.

But seriously, how about just a gCalc spreadsheet?
State | Age Group | Something | Something
Reflex Films
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WA
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2 Aug 2010 11:27am
you'd also be surprised at how small the percentage of the market of windsurfers in Oz actually participate in this forum- it seems to be around 200 regulars

- plus the 5 - 10 or so die hards that make up 80 % of the posts (anyone with a number of 2000 or higher on their avatar) here

The actual market is much bigger than the presence here. You wont get a good idea of the number of sailors by surveying on here. Those who work in the industry have a rough idea of the number of boards sold in oz - which leads to a guess at the number of sailors in OZ.

Wet Willy
Wet Willy
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2 Aug 2010 1:29pm
Reflex Films said...

...- plus the 5 - 10 or so die hards that make up 80 % of the posts (anyone with a number of 2000 or higher on their avatar) here

...




I am CLOSE! So close I can taste it!

KenHo
KenHo
NSW
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2 Aug 2010 3:30pm
Yes, I agree that most are "invisible".
Still curious as to where you got your sales figures from. Not saying they are not accurate, but it sounds like a lot of boards per annum to me. I would not have guessed so many.

Reflex Films said...

you'd also be surprised at how small the percentage of the market of windsurfers in Oz actually participate in this forum- it seems to be around 200 regulars

- plus the 5 - 10 or so die hards that make up 80 % of the posts (anyone with a number of 2000 or higher on their avatar) here

The actual market is much bigger than the presence here. You wont get a good idea of the number of sailors by surveying on here. Those who work in the industry have a rough idea of the number of boards sold in oz - which leads to a guess at the number of sailors in OZ.




Reflex Films
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WA
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2 Aug 2010 1:44pm
I used to work in the industry and have a rough idea how many boards the various brands sell in OZ.
KenHo
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NSW
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2 Aug 2010 4:48pm
Fair enough. It's good to see that it's that healthy still.
I did my bit and bought 2 new boards last year, and might buy another this year. None for years before that though.

Reflex Films said...

I used to work in the industry and have a rough idea how many boards the various brands sell in OZ.


sausage
sausage
QLD
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2 Aug 2010 4:50pm
There's 385 boards just for sale in the buy and sell section. Being fairly conservative I reckon this may only account for say 20% of windsurfers actually selling their wares at any one time. So maybe 2000+ at a minimum ???????

Of course I could be completely wrong like a lot of other things.
KenHo
KenHo
NSW
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2 Aug 2010 5:26pm
Half of those are from the one shop though.
Still, it's indicative of a lot of activity.

sausage said...

There's 385 boards just for sale in the buy and sell section. Being fairly conservative I reckon this may only account for say 20% of windsurfers actually selling their wares at any one time. So maybe 2000+ at a minimum ???????

Of course I could be completely wrong like a lot of other things.


barn
barn
WA
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2 Aug 2010 4:20pm
that "6 degrees of separation" Idea could be applied.. so maybe seabreeze emails everyone on their database a form with organised fields (age, car type, equipment description) and we fill in as many windsurfers as we know.

so i could enter, say, probably 100 windsurfers i could describe from memory or from sailing over the season.

eg,

"that old guy in the pink seat harness who uses a yellow 6.9 NP 1999 sheertip, and the DROPS slalom 296, who always crashes his waterstarts, owns a jack russelXdalmation, and drives the blue 1985 volvo wagon, and gets angry at the modern world such as Ipods, kitesurfing and female PMs"

and somehow if this guy gets entered once, everybody recognises him and doesn't repeat the entry..

this data gets calculated somehow and we get a total!

thinking about it, this wouldnt work because that one description represents a fair chunk of the windsurfing community XD


KenHo
KenHo
NSW
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2 Aug 2010 7:40pm
This is actually pretty funny.
You would need to cross reference this info with all the known nick-names.
I'm always amused that no-one actually knows anybody's names at most sailing spots, instead relying on a bunch of nick-names and random descriptions.
It would probably work though.


barn said...

that "6 degrees of separation" Idea could be applied.. so maybe seabreeze emails everyone on their database a form with organised fields (age, car type, equipment description) and we fill in as many windsurfers as we know.

so i could enter, say, probably 100 windsurfers i could describe from memory or from sailing over the season.

eg,

"that old guy in the pink seat harness who uses a yellow 6.9 NP 1999 sheertip, and the DROPS slalom 296, who always crashes his waterstarts, owns a jack russelXdalmation, and drives the blue 1985 volvo wagon, and gets angry at the modern world such as Ipods, kitesurfing and female PMs"

and somehow if this guy gets entered once, everybody recognises him and doesn't repeat the entry..

this data gets calculated somehow and we get a total!

thinking about it, this wouldnt work because that one description represents a fair chunk of the windsurfing community XD





Mrgob
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2 Aug 2010 6:18pm
The number of boards sold doesn't equate to the number of windsurfers. I have eight of the buggers in use, and half a dozen old ones up in the loft!!

Neither do shop keepers necessarily tell the truth. (Would they admit to selling just a couple of multi fins only?[}:)])
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