How much carbon-fibre ?

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Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
22 Jan 2006 10:04pm
Ok, Ok, so I accept I can't use my old fibreglass mast anymore, but how much carbon do I need. Prices go from $300 to $10,000,000 depending on the carbon content. Where does the benifit drop off? Okay to stick with the 30% cheapies, or do I need 50%, or 90 or 100%.

Thanks,
Harrow.
Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
WA, 7733 posts
22 Jan 2006 7:17pm
It depends what you want it for and what type of sailing you do...

For SDM, more carbon = lighter, faster reaction, weaker.
For RDM, more carbon = more strength (I think).

If you're a cruiser/freerider, anything from 30% on should be fine... Don't forget to check the mast curve and stiffness requirements for your sails If buying new sails, get a fourth mortgage and buy the matching masts
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
22 Jan 2006 9:25pm
30% cheapies are fine, it depends what you want to use them for. If you were starting out wave sailing or were hard on your gear then I would suggest a 30% cheapy. Weight is a little heavier but if you're coming from fibreglass then you'll think these are awesome anyway.

At the other end 100% are fine but I am hard pushed to see any performance benefit from them (over a 75%)aside from weight.

Considering weight, longevity, money and response rate, I would suggest for general sailing:
for masts 430cm and smaller 30% or similar (45)
for masts 460cm and bigger 75%
Bertie
Bertie
NSW
1351 posts
NSW, 1351 posts
23 Jan 2006 12:41am
30% carbon masts are fine. just make sure u get one from a reputable brand like pryde or powerex. the average joe wouldnt notice the difference between a 30% and 75% carbon mast on the water.
30% SDM carbon masts are better in the surf, coz they are built heavier but the glass makes them more resilient (spelling).
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
22 Jan 2006 9:44pm
I have a theoretical problem with 30% carbon. From experience it's not good to mix materials of different stiffness, in a load bearing situation. The stiffer stuff takes all the load, the less stiff stuff just adds weight, without adding any strength.
All fibres in tension should be carbon, those in compression don't matter much, fiberglass and carbon have similar compression characteristics. I have 70% carbon masts that are about 10 years old, have jammed them into the reef with sailboard dangling in the air out of reach, have fiberglassed the wear in the boom clamp area from the amount of use they've had, still going strong. These masts have all longitudinal fibers carbon, glass around the circumference.
I've no practical experience with 30% carbon masts, so can't really coment on them.
pvb
pvb
WA
54 posts
pvb pvb
WA, 54 posts
23 Jan 2006 4:32am
After working in a windsurf shop for 3 years guess which mast came back most often? The 30% carbon ones...and we don't even sell that many... the least problem mast was the 90%+ RDM... If u have the dosh..get a RDM..they sail nice in waves and are reliable...look at it as cheap life insurance.....
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
23 Jan 2006 10:26am
SDM, RDM???

I get the feeling this is a payback for my FWS post.
Northboy
Northboy
WA
170 posts
WA, 170 posts
23 Jan 2006 8:14am
Standard Diameter Mast and Reduced Diameter Mast.
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
23 Jan 2006 4:35pm
quote:
Originally posted by Northboy

Standard Diameter Mast and Reduced Diameter Mast.



hey! Anyone tried filling their mast with helium?! Imagine how light it would be!

sorry couldn't resist, i been reading too much of the kite forum lately
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
23 Jan 2006 5:40pm
Haircut,

Don't laugh - we used to do that with our flying ants when club racing. (The hull that is, not the mast.)

Of course, you could eat a lot of beans and fill your bowel with methane. Would that help?

Harrow.
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