How often do you hook accidentally ?

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pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
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8 Aug 2010 10:23am
Today I hook on accidentally whilst trying a fancy (for me) gibe on my Goya.
The deep gash on the quad hurts like hell.

Question is: how often do you hook on accidentally, or is it me only? Seems to happen too often here, as in one bad one every 4-5 outings...
KenHo
KenHo
NSW
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8 Aug 2010 11:35am
Not often, but always at the worst possible time.
I've caught the uphaul more often than the harness lines, which is why I rarely put one on.
Only in really marginal conditions where I might get totally becalmed.
elmo
elmo
WA
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8 Aug 2010 9:38am
yep I get it and it gets all the more interesting with a overpowered race sail
graceman
graceman
WA
323 posts
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8 Aug 2010 10:16am
Yep the point of no return on the gybe and you find you are going with the sail like it or not.
nick0
nick0
NSW
510 posts
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8 Aug 2010 2:41pm
i get it when i run into a lul with a realy high boom and short harness lines .. trying to jump out of them before going in backwards
lanky
lanky
QLD
213 posts
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8 Aug 2010 4:52pm
Half way through a flaka don't know how but it hurt like hell.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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8 Aug 2010 5:05pm
graceman said...

Yep the point of no return on the gybe and you find you are going with the sail like it or not.


Yep..after a wipeout like that Im super aware for a while & even tired to push the lines away with my fingers as I initiate a turn.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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8 Aug 2010 3:22pm
solution

as you start to enter a gybe, move front hand back to the lines, and use your thumb to push the lines away from yourself

added benefit is it makes it easier to lean the mast forward and oversheet as you enter the gybe, thus keeping the nose down and engaging more rail
KenHo
KenHo
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8 Aug 2010 6:50pm
Is it worth me noting that all these wipe-outs are much worse than any attempt at a forward loop ?
Richiefish
Richiefish
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8 Aug 2010 7:04pm
Oh yeah .
grumplestiltskin
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8 Aug 2010 9:10pm
Mark _australia said...

solution

as you start to enter a gybe, move front hand back to the lines, and use your thumb to push the lines away from yourself

added benefit is it makes it easier to lean the mast forward and oversheet as you enter the gybe, thus keeping the nose down and engaging more rail


So what you are saying is, you basically think about what you are doing as you enter a gybe.

Holy crap, thats an epiphany moment, perhaps I should put some thought into what I am doing, then perhaps I would get it right
gs12
gs12
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8 Aug 2010 9:54pm
pierrec45 said...

or is it me only?


I once managed to hook up mid-gybe on the boom. Not sure how I did that but all of sudden I'm looking at the sail up close. I think I might have crashed ...
pierrec45
pierrec45
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8 Aug 2010 11:55pm
Huh, I was doing a 360 gybe, hands are far back for this move.
But yeah, next time I'll "think" more about what I'm doing.
gs12
gs12
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8 Aug 2010 9:56pm
gs12 said...

pierrec45 said...

or is it me only?



I once managed to hook up mid-gybe on the boom. Not sure how I did that but all of sudden I'm looking at the sail up close. I think I might have crashed after that ...


hardpole
hardpole
WA
609 posts
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8 Aug 2010 11:52pm
too often is the answer (once is one too many ) For me its most often when Im at my most relaxed that the hook unexpectadly catches the line - not more than twice a year but most annoying.
Trousers
Trousers
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9 Aug 2010 9:32am
a friend sailing down sandy point a few years ago came in after a marathon session. he said that as he came into the shallow he unhooked and de-powered. he was so tired he let go of the sail to let it fall leeward, intending to fall windward into the water himself. not quite sure on the details here, but somehow the harness re-engaged, and violently threw him over the handlebars with the sail. the sail pile drives him and he dislocates his shoulder.

untangling himself, with his good arm he tries to wave down his brother who is still blasting out the back. bro' waves happily back and continues blasting...

correct any details I got wrong Sam. :)
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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9 Aug 2010 5:02pm
gs12 said...

pierrec45 said...

or is it me only?


I once managed to hook up mid-gybe on the boom. Not sure how I did that but all of sudden I'm looking at the sail up close. I think I might have crashed ...


Years ago with my 3.3m in 30kts + with 3m swells ( no breakers) at Jimmies beach I hooked in accidently & landed on the boom.I thought Id busted my ribs or something.Luckily I was close to shore.I could barely pull the sail off the mast..Id taken a sickie to go sailboarding so i couldnt even brag about it..
pierrec45
pierrec45
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9 Aug 2010 5:52pm
sboardcrazy said...
I'd taken a sickie to go sailboarding so i couldnt even brag about it..

LOL
airsail
airsail
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9 Aug 2010 6:22pm
Easy fix, learn to sail with the hook up, no more accidental hook ups during a gybe. Also very useful while wave sailing, bottom turns are a real bitch when your hook grabs a line half way through.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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9 Aug 2010 8:19pm
airsail said...

Easy fix, learn to sail with the hook up, no more accidental hook ups during a gybe. Also very useful while wave sailing, bottom turns are a real bitch when your hook grabs a line half way through.


I think I started sailing with the hook up ( 80's) then fashion swung to hook down.. Is that because the lines drop out easier/ accidentally hook up..?
nebbian
nebbian
WA
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9 Aug 2010 7:58pm
Only happens to me when doing a light wind flare gybe and just about to flip the rig when sailing clew first. I usually glance down to check now (too many of these )
curac
curac
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9 Aug 2010 8:05pm
never happens to me.. cause i'm a fkin legend.
sh1t yeah b1tch
saltiest1
saltiest1
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10 Aug 2010 12:39am
curac said...

never happens to me.. cause i'm a fkin legend.
sh1t yeah b1tch




thats he-biatch
nosinkanow
nosinkanow
NSW
441 posts
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10 Aug 2010 1:24am
Used to happen to me often at the start of the gybe especially on a windy day and very bumpy swell where my harness lines would flail about...days before plastic covers over the lines. Nowadays I wish I could find time to sail when it's windy to see if it still happens, long way to go for that to happen me thinks.

Got a 7.5 sail now, just have to try it out....baby steps to being a real windsurfer again! Slow progress but getting there! Watch this space!
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
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10 Aug 2010 8:57am
accidental hooked-in one footed vulcans
puffin
puffin
235 posts
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11 Aug 2010 6:50am
There are days when I re-hook in during every third or fourth jibe. Then months go by with no problem. I'm in a no-problem stretch now...

JINXED IT!

Invariably it's a bent front elbow that causes the problem.

(all of this excludes the classic "catapult to under-sail, hooked in, inside the boom" freestyle explosion).
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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11 Aug 2010 1:45pm
puffin said...

There are days when I re-hook in during every third or fourth jibe. Then months go by with no problem. I'm in a no-problem stretch now...

JINXED IT!

Invariably it's a bent front elbow that causes the problem.

(all of this excludes the classic "catapult to under-sail, hooked in, inside the boom" freestyle explosion).


Ah hah! Maybe thats why I havent had the problem for a while. Ive watched some gybing videos and working on them..Only prob now is I sometimes stack coming out the other side with the rig too far forward..nasty if your still hanging on and feet dont come out the straps..
Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
NSW
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11 Aug 2010 5:55pm
Only hook in accidentally when I'm in the middle of a perfect planing gybe! So then it ends up being not so perfect after the face plant.
pepe47
pepe47
WA
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11 Aug 2010 4:27pm
Half way through the gybe, watching where I'm going...seems to be a pattern forming here
wendell
wendell
NSW
156 posts
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11 Aug 2010 11:40pm
I'm with Airsail, hook up.
When I got a new harness I started to occasionally hook in unintentionally, I think because the new hooks are long and curve a long way back, trapping the harness line, unlike my old short hook. So I thought "maybe there's a good reason nearly everyone goes hook down these days" and persevered for a session or two hook down but I kept hooking in on gybes and I wasn't going to alter my gybes because of my harness. Same as you shouldn't have to hold the line with your hand to keep it out of the way in a gybe. So I went back to hook up, and if I shorten the hook (by welding) it'll be even better.

The other side of the issue is how easy is it to unhook in a hurry, which can be shown by how often you catapult hooked in. For me almost never, once every few years at most.


Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
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11 Aug 2010 11:46pm
could it be that those getting hooked in are not leaning forward enough, extending the front arm and driving therail through the gybe?

i'm certainly no expert technician but i've never gotten hooked in by accident. to be honest i just can't see how it's possible unless your wave sailing.
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