IS FISHING RELAXING?

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sonic
sonic
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15 Feb 2007 11:51am
We had a pretty good day on Monday 12th Feb and granted the fishermen were there first, casting straight off our favourite sandbank, it was only a matter of time before my fin caught their line and as i was going about 30knts(33knts was the best of the day)He probably thought he had the best fish of his life!Anyway the line cut a 3mm perfect whole in my fin and i guess would of cut my leg off if it had hit around the ankles. Next few runs had them trying to hit me with the weights and casting at me, at that speed a lead weight in the face would do some damage. Then they let their anchor out 10mtrs so we could not get close to the sandbar.Half hour later our"mates" started trolling up and down the area it was only a matter of time before the"chairman" caught their line, they drove at him several times in their boat hitting him and then thrashing/whipping him with their fishing rods(mark normally pays good money for this treatemnt) They then came and knocked me off and did the same to me three times. It was only when i pretended my GPS in its waterproof casing was a mobile and i was calling the water police that they left in a hurry. Tough guys or what!We were helpless in the water!
The boat number is PK 800 Q Any info would be helpful, Maybe Kremlin can pop down and give us a hand.
Wineman
Wineman
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15 Feb 2007 12:57pm

We've had road rage, surf rage & now fish rage.
Certainly sounds like harrassment, if not assault and more.
Follow up with water police & further if necessary.

NOT GOOD!
md74
md74
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15 Feb 2007 12:37pm
where was the liverpool kiss I say boys?

I would have jumped in their boat, snapped their fishing rods, emptied their beer, ummmmm, yep thats about it.
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
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15 Feb 2007 11:44am
sounds pretty chronic and the final actions unwarranted, but you did say they were there first.

how hard would it have been to give em a wide berth.
qwerty
qwerty
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15 Feb 2007 1:55pm
fishermen are f**king wastes of space.
The ones casting off the beach at least
greenleader
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15 Feb 2007 12:56pm
hey, i resemble that comment!
md74
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15 Feb 2007 1:03pm
my actual opinion is, I could see how they would get pissed off, especially if they were there first, they dont understand the dynamics of windsurfing and the angle of attack etc, so they would be thinking of the windsurfers " what the hell are these idiots doing".

But there is a part bogan in every fisherman, and they must feel it a primal instinct to release the bogan, if they are right or wrong.

Like I said, nothing that the good ole liverpool kiss wouldnt fix, coupla tough pommie boys like you 2 should have been able to sort it out, hehe.

Bit tough saying they are a waste of space, fishing is dang good fun! And correct me if im wrong, isnt it the largest participant sport worldwide?
kana
kana
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15 Feb 2007 1:20pm
next time keep a BASEBALL bat handy!!!!!1[}:)]
qwerty
qwerty
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15 Feb 2007 3:22pm
quote:
Bit tough saying they are a waste of space, fishing is dang good fun!


Each to their own (and no offence intended) but I can hardly think of anything that's more boring. Maybe watching someone else fish would be.
Deep Sea fishing would be a bit better hauling in a big sea monster.

quote:
And correct me if im wrong, isnt it the largest participant sport worldwide?

Probably. We live in a phucked up world where "Extreme Fishing" is shown on prime time weekend TV, and epic wavesailing contests with world champion Aussies never rate a mention.
Gonewindsurfing247
Gonewindsurfing247
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15 Feb 2007 1:35pm
30 Knot day we had recently there was a bunch of bogans in their halfcabin dropping crab nets right where we were gybing. They were each sucking on a can of beer and looked like they hadn't a clue.

And yes we were there first.
knot board
knot board
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15 Feb 2007 2:36pm
Grow a brain you guys, Liverpool kisses? Snapping their rods?
In case you didn't read,
quote:
Originally posted by sonic

the fishermen were there first

It's about RESPECT for other water users.

I'm suprised the situation got so out of hand, suggests to me that there was provacation from both parties.

Windsurfers just can't pick and choose which water rules to adhere to, we expect boats to slow down and/or give way to us because we are classed as sailing vessels for the purpose of maritime law. Unless the fisherman was moored in a designated navigatable channel he deserves the same courtesy from you.

Sonic, you boast of speeds in excess of 30 knots yet being close enough to the boat to interfere with their fishing lines. The law which applies to all watercraft is that if you are travelling at speeds in excess of 10 knots you must maintain a minimum distance of 30 meters from any person or anything in the water.

Obviously the wake created from a windsurfer at planing speeds is going to have quite negligable impact on a moored fishing boat, but my point is that once people start ramming each other on the water the law comes into effect and I'm afraid that is this case you sound like the loser.






md74
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15 Feb 2007 3:32pm
hey knotboard ya knob, go back and read my comment, I refferred to them being there first, and If you cant take from my writings Im about equal rights on the water, somethings up. Im kinda tongue in cheek about the rod snapping stuff, but you know what, if some fisherman purposefully tried to cause trouble, I wouldnt back down, nature of the beast.

I dig fishing, nothing annoys me more than if I was fishing and some clowns rocked up on their jetski's, or parked their car within 30m and insisted on playing their music at 100dB.

Hey qwerty, nobody out there gives a ratsass about minority sports, simple, I raced motocross and supercross for 15 yrs, all I ever heard was that it never makes tv, why? because to those that are not into it, it is boring to watch. Windsurf racing is quite dull to watch, wavesailing doesnt mean much to joe average because he doesnt know the athletes, and cant relate to the sport. TV is designed for the masses, because the masses watch tv.

However, speed sailing would catch the public eye, you need people to see it on the news and say " wholly crap, did you see how fast those guys were going".

The sports themselves are also much to blame, Ive been involved on many occassions with athlete manaagement getting tv exposure for minority sports, mainly downhill mountain biking, it is really quite easy to get the news coverage at least, but the networks will not go looking for a story, they will however suck anything up like a big huge sponge! So, my trick was killer press releases, followed up with phone calls, then arranging press days.

Now for windsurfing to get exposure in oz, someone needs to do this.

This is off topic but was raised in this thread, sorry.

qwerty
qwerty
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15 Feb 2007 4:56pm
quote:
Hey qwerty, nobody out there gives a ratsass about minority sports, simple, I raced motocross and supercross for 15 yrs, all I ever heard was that it never makes tv, why? because to those that are not into it, it is boring to watch. Windsurf racing is quite dull to watch, wavesailing doesnt mean much to joe average because he doesnt know the athletes, and cant relate to the sport. TV is designed for the masses, because the masses watch tv.



Agree with you. It is designed for the masses. I just don't understand how dull the masses seem to be.
Yes windsurfing racing is boring, but wavesailing can't be beaten. I know I'm biased, but come on, you've only gotta watch Polakow at his best and try to think of a sport that even comes close. Who cares if they know the athletes or not? Maybe they do care, but I don't. Doesn't change what they are doing. You mentioned motorcross. I love watching that too, but wouldn't be able to name any of them.

anyway, we could all talk all day about why sailing is not on TV. I'd rather go sailing


nebbian
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15 Feb 2007 3:20pm
The old adage of TV being the opiate of the masses has never been more true.

Scientific studies have shown that your brain is in a similar state when watching TV as sleeping, which I guess makes a lot of sense when you consider how boring most programs are. Yet another rehash of people losing weight crossed with Survivor crossed with Big Brother? No thanks, I'll pass

So why don't we have real edge of your seat excitement blasting out from the TV all the time? Simple. T.V. is a modern form of meditation. It's brainwashing, pure and simple, driven by advertising dollars and greed.

Here's an experiment to try: Go without TV for a month, then watch a full commercial break. You'll come out reeling from the visual and auditory assault that is commercial advertising. Yet people who watch it every day don't even notice how their choices are being affected by subtle manipulation... even their total world view is changed by it. It's insidious. It's addictive. It's a drug.

Do yourself a favour and switch off the TV.

quote:
Originally posted by qwerty
anyway, we could all talk all day about why sailing is not on TV. I'd rather go sailing



Me too
md74
md74
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15 Feb 2007 4:29pm
Id rather go sailing, well stated qwerty!

It is frustrating though isnt it! I would love to see some footage on sports tonight of the boys trying to crack 50 knots! Im sure if they do, and having Red Bull as a sponsor ( correct ?) that Red Bull will get it worldwide exposure, thats the kind of thing we need.

When I was racing downhill mountain bikes, there was 1 race that was the pinnacle, it was the race that was seen on tv, it was called the Kamikaze, it started at 4000m and dropped to 3000m down a fire road on Mammoth Mtn in California, anyone could get a $500 bike and race it! The year I did it there was 100 pro riders, and 5000 novice riders!

That race ended in 1998, and the sport got real technical, tracks got harder, and the public lost interest, tv lost interest, then the riders got paid less, sponsors pulled out etc.

But, the shear thought of rocketing down a mountain at 70 mph on a pushy was insane! I did it once, in 1997, amazing event.
greenleader
greenleader
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15 Feb 2007 4:37pm
that little stretch of water at "the train" next to the sandbank is actually a 40 knot speed limit shipping channel.
it is also very narrow (you could cast from one side to the other easily)
if these guys were fishermen they would have left immediatly a few windsurfers turned up, as the target fish species on the broadwater would bugger off in that clear shallow channel on the first few passes.
which leads me to believe that they were "boaties wetting a line"
not fishermen! big difference, fishermen also value their rods as highly as we value our windsurfing equipment, so using them as whips and canes would indicate these blokes were just p1ssed off that the windsurfers turned up spoiling their serenity and casting at the boys deliberately is just malicious.

anyway it's happened before and it will happen again nothing much can be done about it but chuckle about the visualisation of sonic and the chairman being whipped by a couple of old testy boaties!

a vision i hope i don't dream about!
md74
md74
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15 Feb 2007 4:49pm
thats right1 this thread was about fishing, sounds like you might be right there greenleader, your answer mixed with my bogan theory sounds like the go!

Be warned, the bogans are breeding!
Haircut
Haircut
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15 Feb 2007 4:50pm
either way, apart from the odd shark and ray, there are no fish in there to catch? The only fish these desperate people catch are 3 inch long whiting, bream, and toadies. As far as crab pots go at the broadwater, who wants to eat a crab that has been feeding on engine oil and house boat turds it's entire life
md74
md74
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15 Feb 2007 4:53pm
rofl haircut! those crabs would taste delicious!
Haircut
Haircut
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15 Feb 2007 4:55pm
yes - even crabs enjoy a rock'n'roll chokito
Gonewindsurfing247
Gonewindsurfing247
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15 Feb 2007 5:07pm
Windsurfing is one of the most spectacular sports visually in the world (closely followed by freestyle motocross) without a doubt.

I have come to the realisation that it has nothing to do with the sport rather it has everything to do with corporate greed!

As an example, look at swimming. How exciting (really) is swimming to watch? Yet, how much money is in swimming and how much coverage does it get. The reason it is popular is because we have been brain washed into thinking it is exciting and fun to watch by the media. An who is driving the media, the big corporates. How did one day cricket start?

Until the corporates get behind windsurfing its got no chance. Hey but at least Access 31 is on our side.

We should organise an experiment similar to the Pepsi challenge and see what the general public thinks about windsurfing compared to other popular sports.
shark
shark
WA
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15 Feb 2007 5:58pm
Regarding the comments made earlier about who should be where.
A vessel fishing OR anchored has precedence over a sailing vessel, without even considering the speed of the boards involved. If they are bogans/a..eholes then it shouldnt be hard to be better than them? You must be careful that these situations dont escalate and result in a requirement for windsurfers to get a recreational skippers ticket to make sure they know the rules! (not sure of your qland boating rules?)
md74
md74
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15 Feb 2007 8:04pm
I actually dont know why I poked my head in here, not many boats or fisherman around off the beach when its blowing 20knots!

I only referred to them as bogans, as I am myslef a true bogan.
Gestalt
Gestalt
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15 Feb 2007 10:01pm
hey guys, windfishing is a real sport...

www.americanwindsurfer.com/articles/gone-windfishing-a-very-big-fish-story/
md74
md74
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15 Feb 2007 10:07pm
this makes me recall, greenleader I need your help here, there was a local gold coast guy doing the world cup in the early 90's, and he had a setup for catching tuna off his board! He told me that you could troll right thru the school of tuna, no motor, no noise!

He had a rod holder on the back, when he hooked up he would drop to a seated position on the rear of the board and wind away!

Greenleader who was it???
AusMoz
AusMoz
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15 Feb 2007 10:11pm
WE HAVE A PROBLEM !!!!!

I am not really happy that such a thing has happened !!! especially at my favourite mud hole !

I was told by a certain Green Coloured Leader IN windsurfing circles that yes it is the gold coast and it is busy and we ALL HAVE TO SHARE WHAT IS TOO OFFER !!!

if these guys are boaties and anchored in the Main Shipping chanel and causing distress to ther sailing vessels passing by then they are in breach of the regulation to the General safety obligation as per Qld Gov Act transport operations ( marine safety )

NOW - there are assalts involved too !
this is getting ugly .
Sonic and Chairman i hope you are both ok !!! you guys don't deserve this at all, i know both you blokesw and your good guys !

i hope police have followed through on what has happened !

gcmoz
AusMoz
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15 Feb 2007 10:14pm
and Shark from WA !

yes mate i am onto the rules mate !!!
gcmoz
md74
md74
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15 Feb 2007 10:18pm
moz by the sound of it they were standing on the sandbar, boat was anchored.

I think you need to have a cup of tea, Im sure it was only a rare occurance, lots of people sharing common grounds or water, bound to have little tiff's everynow and then.

It makes life exciting!
AusMoz
AusMoz
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15 Feb 2007 10:23pm
md74

3rd time it has happened since september !!!! that i have heard or seen !!!

copped same thing just before xmas by a mobb of bbq boaters !

not as bad but one guy from bris who was sailing on the day was aimed at !

i'll have the cup of tea any how md 74

cheersgcmoz
md74
md74
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15 Feb 2007 10:28pm
oh really, I didnt know that, I did hear of it happeneing a few years back, it led to a throwing of a beer bottle, followed by some fistycuffs, ask Neil Brown, he knows the story.

Maybe we should offer tea to the fishermen, you know, tea and sympathy.

mmm, well I guess it is a bit of a problem that will probably get worse before better.

Isnt there a big plan in for a reclaim of all that area out to the bar? That will certainly stuff things up.

Im sure the council on the goldy wont be satisfied till it is concrete from end to end!

md74
md74
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15 Feb 2007 10:31pm
maybe sending Toots out is the solution!
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