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Antonyj
Antonyj
QLD
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QLD, 3 posts
7 Apr 2006 7:38pm
Help help help, am wanting to learn but no idea which way to go. Shop guy is selling large round biscuit as a beginners board. Made of hardish foamy stuff but says he will trade it back for $300 less down from $1500 to 12. Am on the Gold Coast and around 72 kilos. Is it better to get a more traditional board or learn to balance on this thing that will never fall over?
Thanks in advance.
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
7 Apr 2006 7:52pm
some folk manage to learn on smaller conventional boards, and some swear by the big ones you have been recommended. I think you'll definately find the big one easier for learning basic balance, uphauling, and sailing along off the plane, but may grow out of it pretty quickly, especially if it is a Starboard Start model. They are overly big and stable, and even experienced sailors find them awkward to ride when they are on the plane, and make things harder than they should be. Once plaing, the Start model doesn't give a realistic sensation of a conventional board. Personally I think the Starboard GO is a better choice as it is still fairly stable and robust for learning, but performs much more conventionally when planing and you won't grow out of it as quickly. I think they cost a couple of hundred more. However, having said all that, I'm told the 2006 model Start has been improved.

back in the eighties the trend was to learn uphauling, light wind tacks, and flare gybes (turning maneuvres) before you learnt to plane in the harness and footstraps. Many people gave up while learning because learning to flare gybe and tack could be quite hard (the new big boards do make it a bit easier), and learning it on a big board didn't mean you could also do it on a short (conventional) board, so basically you had to learn it all over again once you progressed to the short board, so you might as well just learn it on a short board to begin with (learning on a short board then doing it on a big board is easy). These days it seems that alot of people (kids especially) move straight onto simply learning to uphaul, beach starting, getting into the harness and and straps, then immediately onto the plane, and leave learning the turning maneuvres till later. I think this is probably a good thing if your in a safe area like the broadwater here on goldcoast, because it lets you move straight onto the fun bits of windsurfing. In this case, you could learn on a smaller conventional board right from square one. In fact I've met several adults who have done just this over the last couple of years. Basically, you sail away from the beach till you fall in, uphaul, then continue sailing in whatever direction you uphauled in until you reach a sandbar, then you just hop off and turn the equipment around, and do it all again in the other direction. You'll probably find this much more fun than trying to learn the 1980's way. Don't forget to learn to gybe and tack once you get the hang of planing in the straps and harness, otherwise you'll be getting off at the sandbars to turn around for the next ten years, and there are many still stuck in this routine

Cheers

H
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
QLD, 14968 posts
7 Apr 2006 9:23pm
haircut, am i reading you right?

the teacher in me has gone into shock with your suggetion..
considering you can teach someone to sail in a straight line and turn around to get back from where they started from under their own steam in about 1 hr.

antony, what board are you looking at buying?
Antonyj
Antonyj
QLD
3 posts
QLD, 3 posts
8 Apr 2006 6:47am
Haircut was right in predicting that it is the starboard start model and if anybody know where i can get the Go model i will gladly go that direction. I have seen the 06 start model and the "improvments" don't seem to be such as they include a wheel on the back for transportation etc
Northboy
Northboy
WA
170 posts
WA, 170 posts
8 Apr 2006 5:40am
Just to complicate things. I have a Fanatic Viper (not for sale) and it is a very versatile board. All the beginners i have taught have got the basics of sailing, turning and coming back in less than an hour. Yet i still find it a fun board to sail. Regulary taking it in the ocean, it sails very well. Even in strong winds. In fact, last weekend myself and Jon Bouillir were wavesailing it in small surf and having an absolute ball. It jumps and gybes very well. I dont think you will learn loops on it. But it will serve you well.
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
8 Apr 2006 8:58am
quote:
Originally posted by Gestalt

haircut, am i reading you right?



Yeah, I know what your thinking. I've met a few guys now who learnt on 280-290cm length slalom boards and skipped the whole big board thing.

Like Northboy said - the Viper is kind of halfway between a big stable wide board and a conventional board in shape, and will probably be more fun once you progress past learning the very basics. I think it's even got a retractable centreboard for stability (am i right there northboy?)

The starboard start does come with a lightweight beginners sail which is good. If you could take that sail/boom/mast etc, and use it on the viper or starboard go, you would have a fun setup for learning

If the board your looking at is in Surf FX and is a orange colour, I think that is a more recent model Start, and may be the better version. I was using the 2003-2004 model on a few occasions to teach with, and apart from offering ultra unrealistic stability and came with a good lightweight sail, they were awefull. Either way, I'm sure Ian will look after you in the shop.
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
QLD, 14968 posts
8 Apr 2006 9:36am
hi guys, i agree with what has been said about the boards. i think the key is more than 150lt of volume and over 80cm wide.

i too take my 95cm board out in the ocean and ride waves. what a blast. the good thing about the wide intermediate boards is you can uphaul, turn, tack as a beginner then learn harness, carve gybe etc as an intermediate plus keep it as a lightwind board for when you know how to sail.

my comment was more aimed at the don't worry about learning to turn. most of the people that i know that gave up windsurfing are the ones who say. "i tried it once, sailed out from the shore but couldn't get back" turning is an important part of learning rig control. if you can uphaul the sail then you can learn to turn....

now al i need is for you to teach me how to loop haircut.
Antonyj
Antonyj
QLD
3 posts
QLD, 3 posts
8 Apr 2006 6:46pm
Haircut i want to thank you for your help especially as the response was fantastic, just what every newbie needs. I did end up buying the 2005 start and even if i have that for six months it can't teach me any bad habits i hope. Thanks all
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
9 Apr 2006 8:10am
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