Kiters at Hillarys

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Zed
Zed
WA
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Zed Zed
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3 Dec 2008 9:44am
First sail of the season out at Hillarys, there were 3 kiters out there. I really can't see this place handling much more than 2/3 Kiters. Is this going to be a problem as the season progresses? I mean are we going to see 10/15 Kiters out there mid-season? If so that place will be virtually unsailable. I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
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3 Dec 2008 11:15am
I just thought of something really evil...

50 metres of glass-coated line, attached to your mast tip.

An ultra-stable, single line kite that auto-zeniths very easily, coloured bright orange, with a couple of streamers hanging off it.

Instant exclusion zone!
hardie
hardie
WA
4133 posts
WA, 4133 posts
3 Dec 2008 11:26am
nebbian said...

I just thought of something really evil...

50 metres of glass-coated line, attached to your mast tip.

An ultra-stable, single line kite that auto-zeniths very easily, coloured bright orange, with a couple of streamers hanging off it.

Instant exclusion zone!




If only you used your genius for good instead of evil[}:)]
Zed
Zed
WA
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Zed Zed
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3 Dec 2008 11:35am
I've been training the seals, showing them pictures of kiters and beating them with a stick at the same time. They've responded well.
hardie
hardie
WA
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3 Dec 2008 12:03pm
Zed said...

I've been training the seals, showing them pictures of kiters and beating them with a stick at the same time. They've responded well.



All this talent and genius misappropriated by the devil[}:)]
whippingboy
whippingboy
WA
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3 Dec 2008 12:13pm
Fortunately I sail south of the river.

Down at Woodies it's common to have 40-60+ kiters, and 8-12 windsurfers.

They stay in their bit we stay in ours, and there are parts we share

The only problem is when someone new shows up, but they soon learn
Zed
Zed
WA
1274 posts
Zed Zed
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3 Dec 2008 12:18pm
whippingboy said...

Fortunately I sail south of the river.

Down at Woodies it's common to have 40-60+ kiters, and 8-12 windsurfers.

They stay in their bit we stay in ours, and there are parts we share

The only problem is when someone new shows up, but they soon learn



Where's Woodies?

whippingboy
whippingboy
WA
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3 Dec 2008 4:20pm



Areas roughly defined as:

Green - Kites
Red - Windsurfers
Orange - Shared (If there's any aggro at Woodies this is where it happens)

Other Woodies highlights:
Thieves at work around the clock.
Deviants hang in the car parks after dark
Snakes etc.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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3 Dec 2008 7:04pm
yes, and anywhere not covered by a coloured box is where your car will get smashed up and broken into

the kiters can have woodies, it is not flat enough to be flat and there is no waves
stribo
stribo
QLD
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3 Dec 2008 8:33pm
Mark _australia said...

yes, and anywhere not covered by a coloured box is where your car will get smashed up and broken into

the kiters can have woodies, it is not flat enough to be flat and there is no waves


Damn right Mark!
qldsalty
qldsalty
QLD
299 posts
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3 Dec 2008 8:55pm
Just superglue a razor edge on the top two meter of your sails luff panel. As you go past you simple cut the lines....Haha.
graceman
graceman
WA
323 posts
WA, 323 posts
3 Dec 2008 8:24pm
Zed said...

I've been training the seals, showing them pictures of kiters and beating them with a stick at the same time. They've responded well.


I might be mistaken but aren't you supposed to put them in a sack beat them badly, hide, and then open the sack and show them the offender
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
2317 posts
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4 Dec 2008 2:21am
qldsalty said...

Just superglue a razor edge on the top two meter of your sails luff panel. As you go past you simple cut the lines....Haha.


Yeah, and when you wipe out in the path of a wave, and you have to grab the mast to save your gear....duhhh...
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
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4 Dec 2008 7:01am
Mark _australia said...

yes, and anywhere not covered by a coloured box is where your car will get smashed up and broken into



Broken glass everywhere
people pissing on the street and they don't care.


Those hidden Perth area beach carparks are scary places.



WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
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4 Dec 2008 9:31am
Zed said...

First sail of the season out at Hillarys, there were 3 kiters out there. I really can't see this place handling much more than 2/3 Kiters. Is this going to be a problem as the season progresses? I mean are we going to see 10/15 Kiters out there mid-season? If so that place will be virtually unsailable. I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens.


they (kiters) normally stop by as part of an outer reefs downwinder they do....

a few do sail upwind from the poo to sail it,

the problem with conjestion here is that the kiters 'tend' to SNAKE the break to pieces, because they can, if they took more time to sail futher back and share the small wave more, it would work better.... unfortunatley i have never seen this happen.

U will normally find though that once the poleys get upto 3 or more , and it stats to get clutterred with the kites, they usually move on.....

Zed
Zed
WA
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Zed Zed
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4 Dec 2008 10:35am
WINDY MILLER said...

Zed said...

First sail of the season out at Hillarys, there were 3 kiters out there. I really can't see this place handling much more than 2/3 Kiters. Is this going to be a problem as the season progresses? I mean are we going to see 10/15 Kiters out there mid-season? If so that place will be virtually unsailable. I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens.


they (kiters) normally stop by as part of an outer reefs downwinder they do....

a few do sail upwind from the poo to sail it,

the problem with conjestion here is that the kiters 'tend' to SNAKE the break to pieces, because they can, if they took more time to sail futher back and share the small wave more, it would work better.... unfortunatley i have never seen this happen.

U will normally find though that once the poleys get upto 3 or more , and it stats to get clutterred with the kites, they usually move on.....




Ah OK. Well I'll ditch my plan to strap fibre-glass fins to the seals then. Besides I'm not sure how cool the RSPCA are with that kind of stuff.

Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
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5 Dec 2008 3:54pm
whippingboy said...

Fortunately I sail south of the river.

Down at Woodies it's common to have 40-60+ kiters, and 8-12 windsurfers.

They stay in their bit we stay in ours, and there are parts we share

The only problem is when someone new shows up, but they soon learn



For the most of the part the RED zone is just people travelling to the orange zone, I haven't noticed any real agro in the red part, I think most kiters give the polies a fair bit of respect there. I don't really think kiters and windsurfers really mix well in the orange zone.
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
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5 Dec 2008 5:39pm
Mark _australia said...

yes, and anywhere not covered by a coloured box is where your car will get smashed up and broken into


What is with Perth?

SE QLD > There are the occasional weirdos at "The Train" but I've never heard of a break-in. At Shearwater you could leave the engine running. Wellington Point which is pretty crowded looks like 90% families, and again, feels very safe.

Just asking.

And tell me you don't have to carry your kit down to the red box while the kiters float to the nearby green box? Looks like a beautiful spot to sail.

grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
WA
2331 posts
WA, 2331 posts
5 Dec 2008 4:16pm
evlPanda said...

What is with Perth?


Just asking.

And tell me you don't have to carry your kit down to the red box while the kiters float to the nearby green box? Looks like a beautiful spot to sail.



there is a carpark at the front of the green box and a carpark at the right hand end of the red box, so you dont have to carry gear too far.

the orange box used to be a premier speed run and is still not too bad in the right wind. unfortunately the sanddunes have built up high enough to create a small wind shadow.
The kiters love it because its dead flat, some of them just dont know how to share

Yes its probably not the greatest spot, it is however convenient
Oompa Loompa
Oompa Loompa
13 posts
13 posts
5 Dec 2008 10:15pm
i have been following this forum a bit and have noticed that you zed like to post places you sail

have you stopped to consider that maybe if you keep posting about these places on a public forum that it may get busier?

also think about the locals who sail there all the time. not just on the weekends but there are people who sail there during the week

its a small place and in my opinion cant really handle more than 8 windsurfers let alone kiters
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
QLD, 14968 posts
5 Dec 2008 11:19pm
Oompa Loompa said...

i have been following this forum a bit and have noticed that you zed like to post places you sail

have you stopped to consider that maybe if you keep posting about these places on a public forum that it may get busier?

also think about the locals who sail there all the time. not just on the weekends but there are people who sail there during the week

its a small place and in my opinion cant really handle more than 8 windsurfers let alone kiters



we don't have that problem in QLD. the more the merrier.
elizabethb
elizabethb
QLD
2081 posts
QLD, 2081 posts
5 Dec 2008 11:19pm
evlPanda said...

Mark _australia said...

yes, and anywhere not covered by a coloured box is where your car will get smashed up and broken into


What is with Perth?

SE QLD > There are the occasional weirdos at "The Train" but I've never heard of a break-in. At Shearwater you could leave the engine running. Wellington Point which is pretty crowded looks like 90% families, and again, feels very safe.


Hey Panda,

I have been thinking the exact things about WA lately with all the reports of break ins, stolen property and problems that have been occurring there!
Sounding a little less than friendly...

And yeah... advertise the spot or complain, its just going to become frequently more busy...
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23688 posts
WA, 23688 posts
5 Dec 2008 10:32pm
It is not that bad... just that Woodies (and Crazy Waves, a winter wavesailing spot) is close to a couple of sh!t areas where there is a fairly high percentage of waste of space oxygen thieves who should be shot. Shallow end of the gene pool sorta area, unfortunately close to a beach

The rest of the metro coastal strip rarely sees car breakins during the day
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
QLD, 14968 posts
5 Dec 2008 11:36pm
Mark _australia said...

is close to a couple of sh!t areas where there is a fairly high percentage of waste of space oxygen thieves who should be shot. Shallow end of the gene pool sorta area, unfortunately close to a beach



hmm. sounds like a very very good spot to buy a property. not sure what the urban renewal cycle in WA is but it shouldn't be more than 7-10 years.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23688 posts
WA, 23688 posts
5 Dec 2008 10:42pm
Oh yeah it was! The development going in (to **** the windsurfing up) is already increasing prices there tho'

Roughly a 3x1 in bad street was $90K 5 years ago and $250K now ... after the prices dropped recently... maybe peaked at $300K a year ago (?)
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