Learning to wave sail

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Arlo
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16 Jan 2008 2:46pm
What is the best way to learn to wave sail and generally survive in the surf? Are there any vids or online hints n tips etc?

Went for a sail last night at the closest beach to my house at North Haven; as it is onshore in a SW I thought it would be a good idea as I could stay reasonably close to the beach and I'd always get blown back to the beach if I needed it. Unfortunately I got battered to death on my one and only run; but to be fair a lot of that was due to starting to rig a 6.3 in 15kts and it picking up to >30kts by the time I hit the water 20mins later.

grandfromage
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16 Jan 2008 1:18pm
in addition to this, any hints on uphauling in head high swell and 30+ kts would also go down like a well greased eal.
555
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16 Jan 2008 1:20pm
grandfromage said...

in addition to this, any hints on uphauling in head high swell and 30+ kts would also go down like a well greased eal.


Don't.
grandfromage
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16 Jan 2008 1:23pm
so thats what i was doing wrong... i thought i needed to use my centre board...
Mobydisc
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16 Jan 2008 3:29pm
Tips for wave sailing?

Have appropriate gear. Know how to read the waves, ie watch for sets, watch where they break, watch for rips and know what the currents are doing.

Choose appropriate gear. It all depends but its probably better to be a little underpowered than overpowered.

Make sure your gybes are pretty well spot on 90% of the time. Make sure you can waterstart quickly 99% of the time. Know when you are bailing out how to throw your gear so you can get a quick water start. Being able to water start clew first and also with the board the wrong way is handy.

Don't go for big jumps until you are ready, so try and hit the waves at less steep sections.

Try and pick appropriate conditions, cross shore is best. As you have seen onshore can be difficult to get out, to get upwind you need to ride the waves in. Don't go out in conditions you can't handle as it can be dangerous for you and your gear. Know how to handle your gear when you get wiped out and waves are breaking on you. Generally hold onto the end of the mast so it doesn't hit the sand and snap.

Try not to go out alone.

555
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16 Jan 2008 1:31pm
Somewhere with less than chest high waves to start with, with a cross-shore wind. Preferably a reef where the swell peaks up and breaks while leaving a nice unbroken area downwind. This means that you can sail in and out easily in the unbroken part, you'll drift out of the breaking waves when you stuff it, and you can choose how far into the breaking waves you want to go - sailing on the shoulder rather than the face to start.

Always try to hold on to your gear in waves - firstly, you'll know where it is in relation to parts of you that you don't want getting thumped by it, and secondly, it'll stay with you, and you won't have to swim after it.. all the way back to the beach..

Keep your mast tip pointing out to sea when down in breaking waves so it doesn't get driven into the seabed like a pole-vault and smashed. Grab the mast and try to sink the sail under the wave, then hold onto it tightly so the wave doesn't take off with the whole lot and leave you swimming after it.

The Serious About Waves series is really good - the general consensus is that the only sure way to learn is to go out there and get smashed a lot.

You can waterstart already right?
Arlo
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16 Jan 2008 3:20pm
555 said...

You can waterstart already right?


Waterstarts are OK; I am trying to crack gybing a small board at the weekends on flat water, but I want to get out in the sea more during the week as flat water is an hour or so away.
MaxCarbon
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16 Jan 2008 1:54pm
Peter Harts "Let's go wavesailing" series, there are 3 DVD's from basic stuff upwards.
Bean
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16 Jan 2008 1:55pm
Moby, what do you mean dont hit the big jumps early??
My advice is go to Coronation beach for a week. :D
I'd never set foot in waves before that, and after a week and a half there, I love launching as high as I can of the big swell out the back. It sure teaches you to jump :P
divaldo
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16 Jan 2008 3:38pm
Sounds like you two got slammed!
555
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16 Jan 2008 2:17pm
Arlo said...
[Waterstarts are OK; I am trying to crack gybing a small board at the weekends on flat water, but I want to get out in the sea more during the week as flat water is an hour or so away.


Gybing is over-rated, and carve gybing is a luxury.. as long as you are really comfortable waterstarting, you can just make sure you crash your gybes around the most convenient way to waterstart in the new direction!

Onshore is one of the hardest directions to sail, let alone start out, but unfortunately it's what most beaches see the most of.

I found that my flat water sailing muscles were nowhere near strong enough to handle waves - even dragging your gear into the right orientation to waterstart is much harder when it's just been swamped by a wave, and has turned itself over (again...)

3 hours of flattish water stamina equated to about 30-40 minutes of getting thumped by chest high waves for my first few sessions, but it's certainly a great way to get fit in a hurry!

Deano
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16 Jan 2008 2:18pm
Arlo

In onshore you need plenty of power to get up wind. Turn up into the white water & and away after you have popped over it. If you can, avoid whitewater by weaving your way around it along the beach. Always turn the nose up into the white water. One you can do this you can start some little backside turns of the white water. Relax/bend the knees.

I imagine you charged of down the beach,got flicked and washed about?? Welcome to learning to Wavesailing in onshore.

Best tip as already mentioned, buy the DVD.

555, nice pic of Mt Egmont

Deano
grandfromage
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16 Jan 2008 2:21pm
barely even got that far! tried to surf my fanatic bee, ended up riding the thing lying on my front quite nicely, then the nose went under, i didnt want to let go so went under with it, and the board shot backwards out from undr me about 8 foot in the air and got blown 20 feet down wind.

i had to chase my sail, mast and boom 50 meters up the beach, arlo nearly lost his bag, my sun tan got sandblasted from me and my eye sockets were full of sand by the end of what turned out to be a damn good rigging exercise.
Susie
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16 Jan 2008 3:55pm
Keep sailing the flat water to build up your stamina and learn to gybe.
Kingston Park is ok for a start on a seabreeze, in a small swell to start off with. Or on a sw, westerly on a high tide (not too high, not a king tide or too low) at snapper point is a good start. You have to carry your gear down the cliff.
Even Sellicks is ok, yes its offshore but side offshore and we all keep an eye on each other and the waves are small, just yeah hang on to the mast inshore and push the nose of the board into the waves whilst hanging on to the mast if you are standing there. Not that I would know, I'm just learning. I do know you definitely need a wave board.
russh
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16 Jan 2008 4:05pm
Wait for the winter northerlies at the Mid Coast and putter around in some small cross offshore waves - the Kombat 96 would be just fine for that. Watch the guys that sail waves and see how they pop over white water and accelerate down wind between waves when it's cross on to get planing

Practice practice practice and practice some more in small waves - been there over the last few years and just starting to get the nack of wavesailing as a goofy footer - after 20 years of surfing as a natural footer then starting sailboarding -having to do do bottom turns and cutbacks around the wrong way took some learning - and have still got a looong way to go.

Learrn to surf over summer and get used to the way waves break, how to read them how to turn a board etc.- I reckon that sure helps

Good luck - the fun is in the hold downs, gear on your head, no wind in the impact zone and getting snotted by a set and having to jump when you are planing- cause the waves leave you no choice.

There's no better place to sail than amongst the waves

Revhead
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16 Jan 2008 4:51pm
From a fellow novice... good wave sense is vital. Do some surfing, get used to waves if you havent. Also, when going slow on the way out, hit the way straight on, not at an angle.
Hope this helps
Arlo
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16 Jan 2008 5:59pm
Cheers; I think I'll grab one of the DVDs if I get a chance and as with anything else practice and perseverence is usually the answer.

It's amazing after so many years of blasting around on flat water or in chop/swell, how you can be turned into a complete beginner again by throwing in some shore break.
Sailhack
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16 Jan 2008 6:44pm
Arlo,

I went out for my first 'crossshore' wind/wave session last week, never surfed, (done some waterskiing?!?), and thought I did pretty well. Landed some good, small (5-6ft) jumps, and even dropped over the back of a few, surfing them in, (there were no surfies, or bodyboarders around, before I get called something nasty!)

I've been out on an offshore, and onshore, as you're doing, and enjoyed turning the board and riding on the waves, a few small jumps.....but crosshore is AWESOME!!!

Safety-wise, I found that by following the guys that have wave experience, (with their permission, there were only 4 of us, I'm dragging the chain a bit in ability, but the're just happy to get a crew together), and trying to keep up was great, the only thing I found out, is that I tended to fall in the middle of sets. Had a habit of hitting the wave as it was breaking.....not much fun, but was told to concentrate on keeping the board and rig in a stable position when launching and.....landed half of my jumps (bum dragged most!)

I couldn't gybe in all that excitement, but basically did half a gybe, dropped the sail right so I could waterstart, and off I went.....lazy, but effective, I'll practice the gybes next time.

I'll be working on my fitness so I can do better next time!



dralyagmas
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16 Jan 2008 7:15pm
Arlo

In a SW North Haven is not good for any sailing its too onshore and you will never get back upwind to where you started from. Go to Bower rd just north of the breakwater which will give you cross on-shore conditions. If you stuff up big time you will end up back on the beach but just with a long walk back up the beach... trust me I have done it lots!

Persistence and knowing what the wind will do. No point rigging a 6.3 when the tide has just changed to come in this time of year as it will always crank (except when i take a day off) your better off waiting an hour while you rig your 4.5 and sail on that when it has come in.

As one relatively novice wavesailor to another do not go down the mid coast to sail until you are confident. In a NW you are sailing starboard tack which if you are anyting like me you will be Gumby at jumping on that tack (everywhere down our way is Port tack) you will probably stuff up on your first decent jump then smashed in the impact zone, get drilled and end up coughing your guts up on the beach. That is if you are anything like me as that is what happened to me and I was sailing very regularly at North haven, Sema4 and Kingston park at the time.

divaldo
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16 Jan 2008 11:24pm
dralyagmas said...

Arlo

In a SW North Haven is not good for any sailing its too onshore and you will never get back upwind to where you started from. Go to Bower rd just north of the breakwater which will give you cross on-shore conditions. If you stuff up big time you will end up back on the beach but just with a long walk back up the beach... trust me I have done it lots!

Persistence and knowing what the wind will do. No point rigging a 6.3 when the tide has just changed to come in this time of year as it will always crank (except when i take a day off) your better off waiting an hour while you rig your 4.5 and sail on that when it has come in.

As one relatively novice wavesailor to another do not go down the mid coast to sail until you are confident. In a NW you are sailing starboard tack which if you are anyting like me you will be Gumby at jumping on that tack (everywhere down our way is Port tack) you will probably stuff up on your first decent jump then smashed in the impact zone, get drilled and end up coughing your guts up on the beach. That is if you are anything like me as that is what happened to me and I was sailing very regularly at North haven, Sema4 and Kingston park at the time.




Good advice......
P.C_simpson
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17 Jan 2008 12:19pm
think most guys here have it spot on, cross shore with little surf is the go. make sure you have your mast pointing out to sea is pretty dam important when you crash, this is for your gears safety. but the best tip is to watch where the locals leave the beach and get onto the waves, just watch for 20 minutes there could be rocks you cant see that their run into 100 times in the past that they try to avoid. and if your at a new spot talk to a local about it, they will fill you in with all the bits of water to avoid.. most wave sailors are sociable on the beach when there having a breather..
Bails
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17 Jan 2008 12:50pm
Gybing is overrated, I started wavesailing before I could only land about 1 in 10 gybes. You get tired quicker but who cares.
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