Mast track in a polyethylene board

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flangiel
flangiel
WA
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WA, 3 posts
6 May 2007 10:35pm
Does anyone know how to mount a mast track in a polyethylene board? I've heard that epoxy and polyester resin won't bond with polyethylene, nor will most glues.

In case you're wondering, I'm trying to get a 1980s Wayler working with a newer sail
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
6 May 2007 11:23pm
The thing is most resins also don't bond to mast tracks, they rely on mechanical grooves in the track.

The only way I can think that may work (no guarantees) is to get a slab of high density closed cell foam, i.e 80 kg/cm3 divinycell. I would say about 100mm bigger than your track all the way around and about 20mm deeper. If you set that into the board, sand the Polyethylene back with a very coarse sander, so that the epoxy has 1/2 a chance of getting a mechanical grip, it may work.
Your then relying on the high density plug to take the load instead of the epoxy/polyethylene bond. The deeper the block is the better, you could even take it all the way to the bottom layer of poly'.
Not sure what sort of foam is in the Wayler, but if it's open cell, make sure there's no voids in the join to the high density block, xcause if the resin doesn't stick to the poly' it'll suck water for sure.
jmac
jmac
WA
29 posts
WA, 29 posts
7 May 2007 3:13pm
it has a fixed hole in it for the mast? I had an old board a while ago that was about 25yrs old but it had a mast track - I made up a little retaining bit out of plastic and used it at the bottom of the track to hold in one of the new mast bases....
that track was held in with aluminium blocks under the PE shell which were then tapped out I think
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15105 posts
WA, 15105 posts
7 May 2007 3:51pm
quote:
Originally posted by jmac

it has a fixed hole in it for the mast? I had an old board a while ago that was about 25yrs old but it had a mast track - I made up a little retaining bit out of plastic and used it at the bottom of the track to hold in one of the new mast bases....
that track was held in with aluminium blocks under the PE shell which were then tapped out I think



I think he's referring to newer sails being suited to a mast track further back on the board than the older sails which were suited to boards which had mast tracks further forward.
kato
kato
VIC
3531 posts
VIC, 3531 posts
7 May 2007 8:28pm
Have a chat to some epoxy suppliers they might have solution for you.I got some epoxy that works on early Bic boards that way.Jmac,s solution is great way to do it to. No extra holes.
flangiel
flangiel
WA
3 posts
WA, 3 posts
7 May 2007 9:18pm
The Wayler has a slot on the deck about the size of a tuttle box and the mast base slots into this with an interference fit.

The problem is that the existing mast base has no downhaul system, so I can't get the required downhaul tension for a newer sail. I thought the easiest way to get around this would be to just put a modern mast track in the board, but I'm thinking now it might be better to modify the existing mast base so I can fit a modern downhaul system on it.

Jmac: the existing slot is secured to the board by a couple of screws. I might remove it to see if I can screw in a wooden block and maybe mount a chinook base plate on the block.

sinker
sinker
WA
255 posts
WA, 255 posts
8 May 2007 6:08pm
Hi Flange,

You're going to have trouble getting anything to stick to PE the only glue I know of which claims to work is a 3M methylacrylate(?)which they say will glue PVC and other plastics to PE (I wouldn't trust it to stick a mast track though).

PE can be extrusion welded quite effectively, you will need to take your board to a Poly water tank manufacturer or the like and ask them if they can help. to be quite honest it's probably less effort and cheaper to get a different board.

Good luck
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