Masts: How long is too long?

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Wet Willy
Wet Willy
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10 Oct 2007 11:03am
I'm looking at buying a small sail for occasional use, with an adjustable head strap so I can use my regular masts...

How much mast is it safe to have sticking out the top of a wave sail, generally speaking?
knot board
knot board
QLD
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10 Oct 2007 10:47am
If you are using minimum mast extension and the head strap still can't reach the tip of the mast, then your mast is too long


Zed
Zed
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Zed Zed
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10 Oct 2007 9:42am
Very little really. You need to use the recommended mast length otherwise the sail won't work as efficently as it should. If you've got 'too much sticking out the top' you could have too much flex in the mast and the sail won't rig properly. You'll still be able to sail it though. It all depends on how important it is to have your rig at 100%. For some people as long as they can plane they don't care.
easty
easty
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10 Oct 2007 1:05pm
quote:
If you've got 'too much sticking out the top' you could have too much flex in the mast and the sail won't rig properly.


Wouldn't having too much sticking out the top mean that the sail is being rigged on the lower part of the mast, and isn't that stiffer so less flex? Or have I got it factor brunt. (back to front) I guess the outcome of the sail not rigging properly would be the same regardless.
nebbian
nebbian
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10 Oct 2007 10:45am
Longer mast = stiffer (higher IMCS rating). So you need more downhaul. I wouldn't go more than 30 cm...
Zed
Zed
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Zed Zed
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10 Oct 2007 11:23am
quote:
Originally posted by easty

quote:
If you've got 'too much sticking out the top' you could have too much flex in the mast and the sail won't rig properly.


Wouldn't having too much sticking out the top mean that the sail is being rigged on the lower part of the mast, and isn't that stiffer so less flex? Or have I got it factor brunt. (back to front) I guess the outcome of the sail not rigging properly would be the same regardless.



Well you're still pulling from the top of the mast. The head of the sail may be 60cm from the top, but that's not where it's being pulled from. If you could attach it 60cm from the top of the mast then that would be different. So if you're using a 430 mast on a 4m sail you are using the the full length of that mast.
easty
easty
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10 Oct 2007 2:26pm
Thanks Zed, I comprehend now
sorse
sorse
NSW
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10 Oct 2007 1:51pm
i would go more than 20cm of mast out the top.
555
555
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10 Oct 2007 12:09pm
quote:
Originally posted by Zed
If you've got 'too much sticking out the top' you could have too much flex in the mast and the sail won't rig properly.


Easily resolved by making a loop around the head of the sail, and the mast.

It would be unusual to have a sail head sitting far enough away from the mast for curve in the "out the top" part of the mast to have any effect at all though.. Most (all?) modern sleeves go all the way to the top of the sail. Which brings you back to Neb's point..

I have seen some really old wave sails that had 'floating' heads where the sleeve finished well below the top of the sail itself, but why you'd seriously want to use one of those is beyond me!
Gybesports
Gybesports
NSW
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NSW, 193 posts
10 Oct 2007 2:26pm
Yes the problem will be lack of top end, the stiffer IMCS will make the sail fuller in the bottom and mean more downhaul to make the leach twist, not ideal but if you live in a place where 4.0 is a once a year event then it is adequate.
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
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10 Oct 2007 5:30pm
Yes I know it's ok. I just wondered if there was a point beyond which you shouldn't go, like someone said 30cm. I wasn't planning to put a 4.0 on my 520 mast! I would guess it also depends on carbon content and diameter (whether it's a skinny or not), as to how the mast will perform.

So, to be more specific, I'll have a 460 "wave" (ie low carbon content sdm) mast for a sail with a 440 luff (my SUPERFREAK, which will arrive tomorrow!! Yeah Baby!)...this is ok. But I also want to get around a 4.7, 4.8, which may have a luff of around 420. I COULD get away with a 460 mast on a 420cm luff sail, right? But I wouldn't want to, right? So I should get a 440, right? Yep, I thought so...
Gybesports
Gybesports
NSW
193 posts
NSW, 193 posts
10 Oct 2007 11:09pm
You should get a 430 and use an extension. Because the sail will be flatter, better upwind, softer for easier bottom turns and down the line depower and it will have a bigger range being able to be tuned for stronger winds.
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