It's using the wave sail outside it's brief... using a small size for handling. Being able to depower is best aspect of using a wavesail when it's choppy and windy.

I'm exceptionally happy with my Avalon Sail Co wave sails, they're very stable, I'm 70kg and was using my 5.3 for blasting around before I had the use of a an ASco speed sail, the speed sail is more stable as you would expect. But I've been out in strong winds with my 5.3 and a friend who's 20kg heavier couldn't hang on to his 5.0, had to rig a 4.5, can't remember what his sails were.

Off topic, but Al tell your old man he missed a great day at Green Today, Ben went over.

i don't agree that ezzys are that good when overpowered. comparing the 5.3 SE wave i had to my 5.3 Kult there is no show. the kult handled winds up to 40 knots where the ezzy i used to have liked to slam me backwards into the water.

i also reckon (but haven't used one) that the NP alpha would probably come up trumps too. shape looks good.

Well that could have been the year of the really loose leach.
There was also
The year of the distorted foot....or
The year of the loose foot and roach.

Hold on, what about the years of "if you downhaul it, everything goes floppy"

Bomb proof though if you can plane.

wa sog 30+ 4.5-

ok firiebob. he wanted to go over but he had to work... wasnt very happy about it. and the ezzy that i used was a 2006 se wave.

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Out of sail's i have used. the Neilpryde Combat is probably the most stable. the centre of effort just doesn't move, i have a 4.5 and i have used that sail in 40knots and it's stable enough to still feel confident enough to try to go big in the jumps.

It's not the best sail. but it's the most stable i think

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i dont agree so much with the combat, i have a older one 2002 i think, and when over powerd it is better than some sails, but worse than alot aswell, i can use the 5.0 combat is prety good winds, 25 knotts befor i change down to the smack (4.8) but if i had the choice i wouldnt go for one, thaT being said i have seen a few of the newer combats (07) and they do look very nice,especially when correctly powerd and riged etc. but when im out o0n my 4,8 and i see these guys on their 5.5 or 5.3 and they look like they'r doing the chicken dance on their boards, sheeting in sheating out, putting there left leg on the rail, putting the right leg, and well it doesnt look like much fun, untill they are planing that is, then they shoot past me at the speed of sound,

Matty h here from Auswind

some interesting discussion going on here..

Just got back from the Severne distributors meeting. Interesting to note that Severne werent talking about onshore (full pre shape) vs sideshore (flatter profiles)in their design philospohy any more(in fact they never really have) The rational is that a wave sail should work in all conditions (nobody wants to have to own 2 sets of wave sails to cover all conditions)

The defining factor in their wave sail's design was rider geometry and style.

The Blade has a design suited to lower gemoetry where riders drive the rails through bottom and top turns (Scott Mckercher Style) - more suited to classic vert lip focused wavesailing .

whereas the Severne S1 was designed for riders who ride over the board more and have a more flicky and tricky style ( like Jaeger Stone) - more new school- suited to Goitres, and Freestyle like radical manoevoures in the Surf.

BOTH designs have a similar level of top end control.Any quality sail should have good top end control these days.

Another point of note was sail material development - it appears Severne is one of very few companies developing materials (especially laminates like E4, Metallex 2 , KS optic Xply) for use in sail making - a Severne sail can have up to 10 different types of material and laminates used to control shaping and reinforcing - whereas the max no competitors have is 4)- These new laminates allow Severne to control shaping, tension, reinforcment and UV stability in ways that havent been seen before in the Windsurfing game.

Severne are confident in calling the 2008 S1 the lightest and most high tech sail on the market today. It also features an "armoured frame" (the Aramid torsion frame) to protect the sail from the sort of radical impacts the S1 should be experiencing.

Gee I want to see Gestalt use a 5.3 in 40 knots what a load of crap.

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Gee I want to see Gestalt use a 5.3 in 40 knots what a load of crap.

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sorry to dissappoint REAL. it is all true. there were witnesses. HTFU

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I had a 6.5 out in 40+knot squall once......not bragging about it, had witnesses too (watch me swim to the nearest sheltered outcrop, holding the rig underwater, and wait 'till the storm passed).....nearly ended my windsurfing, and life.

There's alot to said for those with ability - (ie; Gestalt)......as opposed to those with stupidity - (ie; me)

Anyway, what was the topic about again???

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Dunno, but your avator is sh1t hot

What I want to know is did your 5.3 Kult get you planing in the same wind as your 5.3 Ezzy?

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I can't confirm Gestalt's 40knot prowess, but I can confirm the KA's aren't short of bottom end.

I'll freely admit my 5.3 kaos is a bloody handful in 40knots

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errrm maybe 40kts in the east isn't the same as here in the west or the average weight over there is 120kgs or i'm a total blouse

any sail has pre shape built in to it

The Blades definitely seem to have a fuller draft although it is tuneable

The s1 seems to be a little flatter - but i may be wrong on this

often its where the foil peaks rather than how much that gives a sail its particular ride.

I can say that the S1 has alot more luff curve which- through mast bend and tension - transfers tension to the rest of the sail- So the S1 runs a higher skin tension than the blade. Luff curve is one of the major determinants of a sails feel, yet rarely gets mentioned. Also -use of softer dacron panels near the mast sleeve can deliver a softer feeling to a sail - i have noticed Severne doing this in smaller sizes to get away from that twitchy on off feleing that some small wavesails give in gusty conditions

on the knots issue - 2 kiteboarding knots equals one 1 windsurfing knot.

a 5.3 wavesail in 40 knots - i'm pretty sceptical about that one too.considering that most crew are blown off the water in around 25 knots on a 5.3 there may be some credibility issues here...

I think 5.3 in 40 knots is absolutely possible.. I got caught out in 34 knots (according to the local wave tower at the time) with a cambered 7m sail on a 152 litre techno and 46cm fin just this past weekend. I weigh 78kg.

Definitely a case of wrong place at the wrong time!

It was survival sailing at best, but definitely doable. A brilliant time to remember all those tips for trimming, stance, and going fast, and then doing the opposite of most of them. Too much speed upwind, and it's time for a backloop lesson.

A fellow sailor was caught out in the same weather on similar gear and went for a long drift while I parked my gear under a log on the beach and went to help.

There is no way that I wanted to crank on the power though - that would've been suicidal. Just enough back hand pressure to keep moving and prevent a stall, and no more. It's the first time I've ever had to waterstart a board that big in both straps!

It's not comfortable, easy or recommended, but it is possible!

Backhanded and draggy? Try a 7m North Tonic in 34 knots without any outhaul, and only slightly more downhaul.. No wonder he was drifting!