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Cliffo
Cliffo
WA
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29 Feb 2004 3:29pm
Howdy people
I'm a newcomer to windsurfing and need a little footstrap advice.
I'm planing well, comfortable in the harness and now cofidently water starting. however when i go back to get in the straps i feel like i've got too much weight back and don't really feel in control also if the gust drops a bit i turn upwind almost instantly and just stop.
I'm riding a Mistral Screamer 2.77-103 ltr usually with an Arrows 5.2m. I'm 6'4" and 93kgs and what i'm starting to think is that this board hasn't got quite enough volume down the back to support my weight. Would this be right. I've tried moving the mast back to solve the upwind dramas but that just seemed to bring even more weight back. Moved the mast forward and it would start tailwalking and mucking around, seems that most of this boards volume is fairly central. The way i've got it set up a the moment feels really nice but i'm standing about 100 mm forward of the straps. I sailed Lancelin yesterday for the first time and just went off, totaly loved it, but getting my feet into the straps would certainly help deal with the chop out in the bay when ya doing 25kts.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers

Brett
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bluejuice
bluejuice
WA
334 posts
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29 Feb 2004 4:12pm
Hi Cliffo,
I think it's a technique thing, I vaguely remember the days when it used to happen to me. Your whole upper body has to be twisted and leaned forward more towards the nose of the board. It's very hard to describe hopefully Simon will see your post and describe a better way to stand.

a.k.a. KA202
hardman
hardman
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1116 posts
29 Feb 2004 5:49pm
Cliffo everyone goes through the same thing, seems impossible at first

A Lesson might help sort you out very quickly, if can't afford that, bluejuices comments are valid, I would add, lot's of front foot pressure, bearing the nose away, and in increments move the back foot back (heel agst rail) until you can slide it into strap without nosing into wind, then slide front foot in. When you get good it's always best to go front foot in first, then rear. As I said, a lesson might sort it out very quickly if you can afford it. Hopefully others have good advice also.

Call me SoftBoy for short
Cliffo
Cliffo
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88 posts
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29 Feb 2004 6:43pm
Thanks Bluejuice / Hardman for the advice
Seems that maybe a lesson or two using my gear might be the way to go
Better to sort it out sooner than later. hopefully get some advice from Simon etc..

Cheers

Brett

BC
Simon
Simon
WA
275 posts
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29 Feb 2004 8:09pm
Hi Cliffo,
At 93kg you may just need a bigger sail to power you up. If powered ok, then hook in to your harness first, sit down, driving all your weight through the mast foot. This will do two things, firstly make the board bear away from the wind and accelerate up on to the plane, secondly it will take the weight off your front foot, which leaves it free to go in the front strap.
Always put your front foot in first, then slowly your back foot. If you are still having problems, try it on a bigger board(beg, borrow one from a shop or friend).
Good luck.



Simon
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matcham
matcham
NSW
49 posts
NSW, 49 posts
1 Mar 2004 6:27pm
Just a thought. How old is the board? I used an old slalom board until last year and wondered myself why I couldn't get back in the straps. Turned out the old boards have their mast track position a lot further forward than the newies. Combine this with newer sails and there's the problem. When I got a new board the feet slipped straight in without even thinking about it.
Cliffo
Cliffo
WA
88 posts
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1 Mar 2004 5:08pm
Hey Matcham
Couldn't tell you how old the board is, to have a guess i'd say it's a mid 90's model but is in as new condition so it's a bit hard to tell.
Call me stoopid but what difference does using a newer sail on and older board make. I'm using a 2001 Arrows Trixx 5.2 with 430 100% carbon mast. Could this be contributing to my problems or do I just need a bigger sail as Simon suggested earlier
As before, any advice greatly appreciated
Cheers

Brett

BC
Fieldie
Fieldie
WA
361 posts
WA, 361 posts
1 Mar 2004 9:37pm
Hey Brett. Simon's advice is spot-on as usual!!! At 99kg, I had similar problems when I was learning on a 5.4m sail underpowered. Using a 6.5m sail in similar wind range saw less stall in the lulls. (remember to - RIG BIG!)

Getting into the straps will feel weird at first but gets easier each time and is the point of no return for fun, fun, fun...

Perhaps try lengthening your harness lines and raising your boom a bit. This way you need to sweep the sail/mast back to hook-in, while keeping pressure on the mast foot to stop you pointing upwind.

In 2 months time you will be wondering why it seemed like such hard work! (you will be trying to uncover the secrets of jibing by then...)
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
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1 Mar 2004 10:05pm
those bloody gybing secrets

GONE WITH THE WIND
Simon
Simon
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2 Mar 2004 9:04am
Cliffo,
Your board was first put on the market in the early 90's and was an instant classic. Years ahead of the competition.
If you compare it to a modern board, you will notice it has far less volume in the tail, and is a lot longer for comparable volume.
This means it is harder to get back into the straps without sinking the tail. Learn how to sail it though, as when you upgrade to a new board, they will seem soooo easy compared.
Greenroom, what do you need to know about gybing

Simon
gowindsurfing.com
matcham
matcham
NSW
49 posts
NSW, 49 posts
2 Mar 2004 1:17pm
Hey Cliffo,

Doesn't sound like the mast track position is the problem, but FYI the older sails had their draft position further back than now. Moving the draft forward is yet another great development over the past few years in making gear easier to sail (more stable with higher wind range). Newer board/new sails = a whole lot more time hanging back in the harness in footstraps.

Your sails sound fine, by the way.

Matcham
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
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2 Mar 2004 3:06pm
SIMON,
i didnt want to cram cliffo's topic but we sail together so stuff him
i understand the logic and theroy and steps and whatever goes with the gybe... im hammering along, unhook from harness lines, back foot comes out of strap and onto edge of board, board turns in big sweeping carve to face opposite direction, then flip sail over and sail off... im having trouble flipping sail i just need to time it right huh not to soon not too late i seem to sink or loose speed... learning this on a 257 tiga is frustrating the closest ive come is flip sail and had boom in hand but didnt get wind in sail quick enough im just practise practise practise does this sound right simon cliffo and i have been talking about seeing you for a lesson or two... do you do gybe lessons, harness lessons, footstrap lessons stuff like that to rid the bad habbits we may have if so email me the prices and times or post them here but not sure if you can do that here... thanks simon


GONE WITH THE WIND
Cliffo
Cliffo
WA
88 posts
WA, 88 posts
24 Mar 2004 9:13pm
Hi Everyone

Would just like to thank you all for your invaluable advice.
I got back in the straps today and man, what a difference.
No turning back now.
Simon, think your right about being underpowered, went out today 25kts ish with a 5.3, good in the gusts but still lost it in the lulls so in the process of hunting down a cheapy 6.5ish sail to get me going.
Thanks again

Brett

BC
hardman
hardman
1116 posts
1116 posts
24 Mar 2004 9:14pm
Congratulations Cliffo

You won't look back now mate

Respect

Hardie SoftBoy
Mcfly
Mcfly
WA
56 posts
WA, 56 posts
24 Mar 2004 11:35pm
I have a very cheap 6.0 simmer and a great free ride board which is impossible to sail badly Cliffo!
Velly cheap for you meester! see buy and sell

Mcfly
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
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25 Mar 2004 8:26am
never look back once in the straps!
as i was swimming around i watched cliffo sail past in good form and noticed something different (not his form as he is a good sailor) but he was hooked in and sitting back in those straps!!! way to go cliffo! and i know that he had a rough rough rough day and was glad he had a good sail...
yyyeeehhhaaa!!!!

GONE WITH THE WIND
Cliffo
Cliffo
WA
88 posts
WA, 88 posts
5 Apr 2004 9:59pm
Hey Dudes

Just like too offer some more thanks for all of your combined advice.
I took your advice Kecksoff, It seems that I was in a very similar situation to you, so anyway, I aquired myself a Neil Pryde V8 Streetracer 7.0m on the weekend and took her for a spin this afternoon. Man, this sail has changed everything. I was straight onto the plane, straight into straps and straight to 25kts and Buzzin off my head. I stepped into the river at 5:05 and at 5:05 and 20seconds I was 1/2 way to south perth yacht club. AWESOME
Today I call myself a windsurfer
Next step - Gybes!! I did 9/10ths of one today, practice,practice,practice. Might have to go to one of Hardmans Gybe Clinics
Thanks again guys

BC
hardman
hardman
1116 posts
1116 posts
6 Apr 2004 7:10am
Cliffo,

Anytime mate, hopefully you'll have more respect than that arrogant greenie

I've decided to start charging a fee though, Cost = Excessive and Sickly Type Compliments!!!!!

Hardie SoftBoy
Fieldie
Fieldie
WA
361 posts
WA, 361 posts
6 Apr 2004 10:54am
Way to go Legend!!! It is a huge step you've made!!!!! You'll soon wonder what all the fuss was about...

After hitting the straps I'd be carving gentle rail to rails on each run just to get my head around the turn reaction of the board to foot pressure (be careful - as I found myself driving like this on the highway, carving from white line to white line and making swoosh noises - very hard to explain to any non windsurf copper!!!).

I got some good advice on jibing (that I am still working madly at) - was told to concentrate on seperate aspects of the jibe each time, bearing away to gain speed, back foot out and over rail, commit, look through to the exit, lean to carve large arc and flip sail.

Another tip that has been invaluable was read from Matt Pritchard interview, with onshore winds, rig 0.5m bigger than you think as white caps coming at you make the day look bigger than it actually is. This has saved me from the old days of schlogging along when it looked really breezie out there!

Keep up the good work!!!!

Getting gone!!!
Seaton
hardman
hardman
1116 posts
1116 posts
6 Apr 2004 11:31am
Kecksoff,

Who are you wise man of gybing science


Humbled in your superiority

Hardie SoftBoy
davea
davea
WA
37 posts
WA, 37 posts
6 Apr 2004 12:00pm
Hey guys,

A question on the jibing thing, as i am also trying (very unsuccessfully) to do them. Do you keep your feet in the straps until 1/2 way through the turn and then take them out, or have 1 out from the start?

hardman
hardman
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1116 posts
6 Apr 2004 1:02pm
Daveo Dude,

Back foot out, on the leeward rail from the beginning of the carve.

Hardie SoftBoy
Fieldie
Fieldie
WA
361 posts
WA, 361 posts
6 Apr 2004 3:34pm
quote:
it's just what we do, just what we do.


Handsomest and dearest of wisest, Hardie.

I am just trying to clock-up some advice credit as I will be hitting the debit very heavy once I get appropriate gear to get me out into the pounding surf. Questions will be coming like - how do I get 20kg of sand out of my clacker with both feet stuck still in the straps, and how do I get teeth out of a boom with said mass of sand replaced by broken mast tip?

Right you are as I'm lucky to be nailing 50% of my jibes, so people may be best served if I can offer them a link (with some surreal illustrated instruction) like: www.windsurfingbible.com/


Getting gone!!!
Seaton
hardman
hardman
1116 posts
1116 posts
6 Apr 2004 6:22pm
Seaton Baby,

When your ready for the big surf, make an appt and I'll show you the reef where I just smashed the nose of my brand new freeride wave

I took it pretty well really fu#@###@ ######**************************************************************
*************************************
*******
**************************************************cken bloody c*#@#*#@********************* reef*#@#( F**************
********************************arse####dic##he###

I feel like kicking the *** out of myself

What ever you do don't follow me!!!!

Your only slightly angry elder

Hardie SoftBoy
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
WA, 7608 posts
6 Apr 2004 8:14pm
hey hardie i love the swearing you made me laugh especially the *******dic*****he******
i feel much better now that you made me laugh
i can just picture you kicking the !@#$ out of yourself
cliffo is cranking!!!
i used my $2 5m sail on the sputnik and it was heaps fun got a few more gybes under my belt and got a goose, no swan, um quack, oh a duck gybe but sheeted in too quick and lost it dohthanks to hardies clinic and vids
way cool
im hoping there may be some wind for next week as im on holidays befoe i go away... i wanna come for another visit hardie and hit the reef not physically as you have


GO HARD CLIFFO!!!



GONE WITH THE WIND
Cliffo
Cliffo
WA
88 posts
WA, 88 posts
6 Apr 2004 10:31pm
Geez Hardie, Ya Fu******************************************ed up layout of the Fu********************************************ing Forum
with all ya Fu******************************************ing
extra long swear words
FU********************en FU********************************k
I feel like kicking the ***** out of you too

Respect

BC
hardman
hardman
1116 posts
1116 posts
7 Apr 2004 7:13am
Is that why it went landscape, dooooooooohhhhh

I'll delete see if returns to normal.



Hardie SoftBoy
hardman
hardman
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1116 posts
7 Apr 2004 8:52am
Greenie,

I'm glad my misfortune brings you amusement

Cliffo,

Back off on the language mate,

Kecksoff,

Your compliments have won you some free advice, just don't follow me at Southern Wave break, likely to hit large, solid, immovable f#*king object, technically called a "reef".

Dear Prospective Wave Riders,

Lesson Number 1 "What not to do by Hardie Softboy"

What got me into trouble was the psychological attitude of "when is enough enough", When you hear these words in your mind, think danger and bail out......."Just one more wave, just one more and I'll go back in, just one more, Oh this one looks good, one bottom turn, two bottom turns "I'm Polakow", three bottom turns "Are people on the beach watching me", "geeze it's looking shallow" , "just one more bottom turn", CLONK, FUC############### You F#@kwit, DIC#@**ad, DOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH

Hardie SoftBoy
Fieldie
Fieldie
WA
361 posts
WA, 361 posts
12 Apr 2004 9:13am
Hardie,

Plenty said about your broken gear, how did you fair up after a scrape across the reef? Much bark of the elbows, knees, shins etc?

I hit some reef at Yallingup as a youngun' and remember being real sore and 80% mercurachrome red for weeks.

The water has a mercy factor of nil!!!!

Seaton.

Getting gone!!!
Seaton
hardman
hardman
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1116 posts
15 Apr 2004 9:21am
Most damage done to Ego thanx Seaton, I joked about it on other thread, spleen damage etc, only minor stuff

Hardie SoftBoy
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