I really want to buy a new board to see some evolution in my windsurfing. I have a 2010 smth kode 113.i know waterstart etch. 60kg . Top speed 40km/h.in my windsurfing spots there aren't any waves just a regular chop ..I have a 4.5 ,5.7.6.7 (severne blade's,severne convert).the most wind will be smth like 5bft.i was looking at fsw boards but I do not exactly know what type of board do I want just not slalom board .I would like a versatile board that can survive / thrive in (multiple) wind conditions .I want to buy used boards .I have seen goya one,severne dyno,starboard kode,jp fsw,rrd fsw ..somewhere in between 95-110lt I really want help and ofc im open to other board choices.

Agreed a FSW around 90 and keep the bigger board. Try to get a thruster from about 2015 onwards if you want more versatility. Dyno is great, JP and Tabou are great but don’t get the basic construction, Patrik F-wave is great but may be a little more wavey. RRD great and strong construction but not a lot around secondhand

Mark _australia said..
Agreed a FSW around 90 and keep the bigger board. Try to get a thruster from about 2015 onwards if you want more versatility. Dyno is great, JP and Tabou are great but don’t get the basic construction, Patrik F-wave is great but may be a little more wavey. RRD great and strong construction but not a lot around secondhand

Thanks for responding
Which one should I buy dyno,jp freestyle wave

Mark _australia said..
Any!!!!

Sorry to be blunt but if you’re an intermediate and planing on a FSW that’s too big, get a smaller one. The differences are more to do with what is better in waves. You are not seeking that so any modern FSW will be ok

but you’re not in WA?

Actually im from Greece and I was desperate enough to write in a Australian forum 😀.Because in Greece very little people windsurf so it's really hard to get opinions here .

rocketship2000 said..
Thanks for responding
Which one should I buy dyno,jp freestyle wave

I own a 2018 JP 94 FSW Pro. I also own a 2018 79 FSW Pro, and a 2023 78 FSW Pro. Plus an old 2014 85 FSW wood sandwich. These are all really good boards IMO. All these boards have a power box , 2 x mini tuttle thruster setup with no tow in (or very minimal.. I can't see it), except for the 2014 85 FSW, which has a single fin power box.

The 2014 FSW is very fast, which is why I am hanging on to it.

The thruster FSWs are just very comfortable to ride, and point well up wind to where I need to go. The thruster boards are a slower ride that the single fin models, but to be honest, the spots I use them in, I don't want to go fast.

Out of the same size thruster boards above, I prefer the 2018 over the 2023. For reasons I do not understand, JP put a foil ready fin box in the 2023 model. Because of that, it is arse heavy compared to the 2018 board.

After 2023, the FSW model's side fins became slot box. I prefer mini tuttle (because I have a quiver of mini tuttle fins). Other than the tips of the noses on these boards, I can't tell the difference in look or handling between the 2018 and 2023 78/79 boards. I assume the 94 sizes would be the same.

I owned a 2015 JP 102 FSW (PB). It was a heavy slug POS that was hard to plane. After a few years, I sold it to a mate, who had the same opinion. Not sure what was ever wrong with that board, as it was the same construction as my 85 FSW, which is an awesome board.

Regarding the 94 FSW and the 79/78 FSW boards. My home town is a very windy when it gets going. 28kt summer seabreezes here. Sometimes 30kt. This wind comes on suddenly from about lunch time, and the gulf waters ring like a tuning fork.The faster the wind comes up, the chopper it is. So, the small board is my go to board in these conditions. In winter time, the systems make the wind intensify at a slower rate, so it is not as choppy. The water condition is much more nicer and easier. But, wind is patchy in winter. Plus, I don't sail as often in winter, so loose my skill. So, my go to board size in winter is a 94 for extra float and to compensate for loss of skill and sailing fitness.

Hope that helps.

I wouldn't say Greece isn't windy... it has Karpathos for speedsailing, and Vassiliki for freestyle - both require high winds.

mathew said..
I wouldn't say Greece isn't windy... it has Karpathos for speedsailing, and Vassiliki for freestyle - both require high winds.

True, in fact I'm in the ship returning from Karpathos it was amazing but because of my large board I couldn't really get the full experience because I wasn't prepared.

But in my home spot usually we don't have more than 15knts,but on the islands the wind blows nicely.

rocketship2000 said..

jn1 said..

rocketship2000 said..
Thanks for responding
Which one should I buy dyno,jp freestyle wave

I own a 2018 JP 94 FSW Pro. I also own a 2018 79 FSW Pro, and a 2023 78 FSW Pro. Plus an old 2014 85 FSW wood sandwich. These are all really good boards IMO. All these boards have a power box , 2 x mini tuttle thruster setup with no tow in (or very minimal.. I can't see it), except for the 2014 85 FSW, which has a single fin power box.

The 2014 FSW is very fast, which is why I am hanging on to it.

The thruster FSWs are just very comfortable to ride, and point well up wind to where I need to go. The thruster boards are a slower ride that the single fin models, but to be honest, the spots I use them in, I don't want to go fast.

Out of the same size thruster boards above, I prefer the 2018 over the 2023. For reasons I do not understand, JP put a foil ready fin box in the 2023 model. Because of that, it is arse heavy compared to the 2018 board.

After 2023, the FSW model's side fins became slot box. I prefer mini tuttle (because I have a quiver of mini tuttle fins). Other than the tips of the noses on these boards, I can't tell the difference in look or handling between the 2018 and 2023 78/79 boards. I assume the 94 sizes would be the same.

I owned a 2015 JP 102 FSW (PB). It was a heavy slug POS that was hard to plane. After a few years, I sold it to a mate, who had the same opinion. Not sure what was ever wrong with that board, as it was the same construction as my 85 FSW, which is an awesome board.

Regarding the 94 FSW and the 79/78 FSW boards. My home town is a very windy when it gets going. 28kt summer seabreezes here. Sometimes 30kt. This wind comes on suddenly from about lunch time, and the gulf waters ring like a tuning fork.The faster the wind comes up, the chopper it is. So, the small board is my go to board in these conditions. In winter time, the systems make the wind intensify at a slower rate, so it is not as choppy. The water condition is much more nicer and easier. But, wind is patchy in winter. Plus, I don't sail as often in winter, so loose my skill. So, my go to board size in winter is a 94 for extra float and to compensate for loss of skill and sailing fitness.

Hope that helps.

I really really appreciate your time and help ..so ultimately I should go for the 94 because neither do I have so much wind in my homespot and it will also work well in higher winds I guess not like the 84 but good since I don't want it for wavesailing.

Yeah, I think the 94 would be a good choice. Get a 2nd hand FSW Pro between 2018 and 2023, you can't go wrong I think. As others said, keep your big board.

The 94 when over boarded isn't too bad. The 79 is a nicer ride in 30kt, but the 94 is still pretty good IMO. I won't change down boards if I'm on the 94 and I have surprise 30kt session.

Maddlad said..
JP FSW boards are great and versatile, but if youre not wave sailing you dont need a thruster. Id get a Tabou Rocket if i was you, just dont get the Rocket Wide version.

But I cant freestyle on them..I think..

rocketship2000 said..

jn1 said..

rocketship2000 said..

jn1 said..

rocketship2000 said..
Thanks for responding
Which one should I buy dyno,jp freestyle wave

I own a 2018 JP 94 FSW Pro. I also own a 2018 79 FSW Pro, and a 2023 78 FSW Pro. Plus an old 2014 85 FSW wood sandwich. These are all really good boards IMO. All these boards have a power box , 2 x mini tuttle thruster setup with no tow in (or very minimal.. I can't see it), except for the 2014 85 FSW, which has a single fin power box.

The 2014 FSW is very fast, which is why I am hanging on to it.

The thruster FSWs are just very comfortable to ride, and point well up wind to where I need to go. The thruster boards are a slower ride that the single fin models, but to be honest, the spots I use them in, I don't want to go fast.

Out of the same size thruster boards above, I prefer the 2018 over the 2023. For reasons I do not understand, JP put a foil ready fin box in the 2023 model. Because of that, it is arse heavy compared to the 2018 board.

After 2023, the FSW model's side fins became slot box. I prefer mini tuttle (because I have a quiver of mini tuttle fins). Other than the tips of the noses on these boards, I can't tell the difference in look or handling between the 2018 and 2023 78/79 boards. I assume the 94 sizes would be the same.

I owned a 2015 JP 102 FSW (PB). It was a heavy slug POS that was hard to plane. After a few years, I sold it to a mate, who had the same opinion. Not sure what was ever wrong with that board, as it was the same construction as my 85 FSW, which is an awesome board.

Regarding the 94 FSW and the 79/78 FSW boards. My home town is a very windy when it gets going. 28kt summer seabreezes here. Sometimes 30kt. This wind comes on suddenly from about lunch time, and the gulf waters ring like a tuning fork.The faster the wind comes up, the chopper it is. So, the small board is my go to board in these conditions. In winter time, the systems make the wind intensify at a slower rate, so it is not as choppy. The water condition is much more nicer and easier. But, wind is patchy in winter. Plus, I don't sail as often in winter, so loose my skill. So, my go to board size in winter is a 94 for extra float and to compensate for loss of skill and sailing fitness.

Hope that helps.

I really really appreciate your time and help ..so ultimately I should go for the 94 because neither do I have so much wind in my homespot and it will also work well in higher winds I guess not like the 84 but good since I don't want it for wavesailing.

Yeah, I think the 94 would be a good choice. Get a 2nd hand FSW Pro between 2018 and 2023, you can't go wrong I think. As others said, keep your big board.

The 94 when over boarded isn't too bad. The 79 is a nicer ride in 30kt, but the 94 is still pretty good IMO. I won't change down boards if I'm on the 94 and I have surprise 30kt session.

Thanks a lot
Do you think I could learn freestyle and (freestyle) on it with some sort of easiness.

The model name FSW by JP is a marketing misnomer IMO. It confuses people. It should read "small freeride board". Some brand/models are a bit more wavey. Others are a bit more freeride (like the JP FSW), others are a bit more freestyle. But generally, these tri-style labelled boards are all pretty quick, easy to get planing, and easy to gybe.

As Maddlad said, if you're only sailing in wind force 5, and you're 60kg (IE: Force 5 is pretty windy for a 60kg rider), then a single fin will be fine. But I prefer the tri fin setup in technical spots because they point up wind. This allows me to get out of the way of other water users, or compensate for rips and lulls etc. When I sail my single fin 85 FSW, or my 110 freeride board, I really notice the pointing angle.

PS/ I have no experience with freestyle boards, so can't comment there.

RS2000, from what Obelix has just said, it would be helpful if you could post a video of yourself sailing. Also video your gear. How you have rigged it. eg: How high you have set your boom ?, using a seat or waist harness ?, how you have set your sail ?, and on what type of sail ?, base track position ?, the fin you are using ?, how you have setup your straps ? etc. So we can all ascertain your current style and skill level, and the water state you are sailing in for 17-21 kt. Asking on a forum with writing only is a bit like the 3 blind men and the elephant. A video will give a lot more description.

Obelix said..
1+ for Tabou Rocket. Would be perfect for the conditions.

When I said "not as windy" , should have qualify it with " as on the open ocean"
I grew up at a Mediterranean coast, and I believe the wind is much more intense here in the Western Australia.

Trusters really help in the open ocean chop. Not as much needed there.
Also, I don't see much point in a wave board.
A freeride/freerace board like the Rocket would be suitable. You would increase your speed while feeling comfortable.
Not so much for the freestyle though.

Agree 👍
Thanks!

Grantmac said..
If you want to learn freestyle you need an ~80L freestyle board or smaller at your weight.

But then they wouldn't have the same versatility in chop or riding comfortably in speed..I think

Grantmac said..
If you want to learn freestyle you need an ~80L freestyle board or smaller at your weight.

But then they wouldn't have the same versatility in chop or riding comfortably in speed..I think

jn1 said..

rocketship2000 said..

jn1 said..
RS2000, from what Obelix has just said, it would be helpful if you could post a video of yourself sailing. Also video your gear. How you have rigged it. eg: How high you have set your boom ?, using a seat or waist harness ?, how you have set your sail ?, and on what type of sail ?, base track position ?, the fin you are using ?, how you have setup your straps ? etc. So we can all ascertain your current style and skill level, and the water state you are sailing in for 17-21 kt. Asking on a forum with writing only is a bit like the 3 blind men and the elephant. A video will give a lot more description.

Hiw can I upload videos
There are options only for photos

Just copy/paste the video's URL into the body of the message, and the forum software will embed the video into your post.

I also want to say, Windsurfing is a human-in-the-loop sport. I have a ended up developing a front footed/lines back style, and run smaller than recommended fins due to shallow and weedie spots I use. My style really suit's JPs FSW boards. But, I'm not sure what your style is ?, or even if it has fully developed yet. If you use an incompatible rig with the JP FSW range, it will be a horrible experience. A video will answer a lot of questions about your rigging and style, and the water condition at your local.

Thanks a lot
Video is coming

jn1 said..

rocketship2000 said..

jn1 said..
RS2000, from what Obelix has just said, it would be helpful if you could post a video of yourself sailing. Also video your gear. How you have rigged it. eg: How high you have set your boom ?, using a seat or waist harness ?, how you have set your sail ?, and on what type of sail ?, base track position ?, the fin you are using ?, how you have setup your straps ? etc. So we can all ascertain your current style and skill level, and the water state you are sailing in for 17-21 kt. Asking on a forum with writing only is a bit like the 3 blind men and the elephant. A video will give a lot more description.

Hiw can I upload videos
There are options only for photos

Just copy/paste the video's URL into the body of the message, and the forum software will embed the video into your post.

I also want to say, Windsurfing is a human-in-the-loop sport. I have a ended up developing a front footed/lines back style, and run smaller than recommended fins due to shallow and weedie spots I use. My style really suit's JPs FSW boards. But, I'm not sure what your style is ?, or even if it has fully developed yet. If you use an incompatible rig with the JP FSW range, it will be a horrible experience. A video will answer a lot of questions about your rigging and style, and the water condition at your local.

Thanks a lot
But I cant copy the video it says unsupported file .if you can help me again it would be nice .

obijohn said..
Based on your photos, it looks like you would have more fun and performance on a Freewave board. I have a few JP Freestyle Wave boards ranging from 77 liters to 102 lliters from around 2016 that i find ideal for alround sailing (I also have a quiver of dedicated waveboards for wavesailing in larger waves on Maui). While freewave boards would not be ideal for highest-level freestyle, they are great for learning basic freestyle moves like carving 360s, duck 360s, helicopter-tacks, push-tacks, etc. that would keep you challenged for quite a while. I agree with others that something between 88 and 94 liters might be ideal for your skill and conditions.

Thanks for your help
But I want to learn freestyle in parallel and I think that the freewave would limit my progression

rocketship2000 said..

Grantmac said..
If you want to learn freestyle you need an ~80L freestyle board or smaller at your weight.

But then they wouldn't have the same versatility in chop or riding comfortably in speed..I think

jn1 said..

rocketship2000 said..

jn1 said..
RS2000, from what Obelix has just said, it would be helpful if you could post a video of yourself sailing. Also video your gear. How you have rigged it. eg: How high you have set your boom ?, using a seat or waist harness ?, how you have set your sail ?, and on what type of sail ?, base track position ?, the fin you are using ?, how you have setup your straps ? etc. So we can all ascertain your current style and skill level, and the water state you are sailing in for 17-21 kt. Asking on a forum with writing only is a bit like the 3 blind men and the elephant. A video will give a lot more description.

Hiw can I upload videos
There are options only for photos

Just copy/paste the video's URL into the body of the message, and the forum software will embed the video into your post.

I also want to say, Windsurfing is a human-in-the-loop sport. I have a ended up developing a front footed/lines back style, and run smaller than recommended fins due to shallow and weedie spots I use. My style really suit's JPs FSW boards. But, I'm not sure what your style is ?, or even if it has fully developed yet. If you use an incompatible rig with the JP FSW range, it will be a horrible experience. A video will answer a lot of questions about your rigging and style, and the water condition at your local.

Thanks a lot
Video is coming

jn1 said..

rocketship2000 said..

jn1 said..
RS2000, from what Obelix has just said, it would be helpful if you could post a video of yourself sailing. Also video your gear. How you have rigged it. eg: How high you have set your boom ?, using a seat or waist harness ?, how you have set your sail ?, and on what type of sail ?, base track position ?, the fin you are using ?, how you have setup your straps ? etc. So we can all ascertain your current style and skill level, and the water state you are sailing in for 17-21 kt. Asking on a forum with writing only is a bit like the 3 blind men and the elephant. A video will give a lot more description.

Hiw can I upload videos
There are options only for photos

Just copy/paste the video's URL into the body of the message, and the forum software will embed the video into your post.

I also want to say, Windsurfing is a human-in-the-loop sport. I have a ended up developing a front footed/lines back style, and run smaller than recommended fins due to shallow and weedie spots I use. My style really suit's JPs FSW boards. But, I'm not sure what your style is ?, or even if it has fully developed yet. If you use an incompatible rig with the JP FSW range, it will be a horrible experience. A video will answer a lot of questions about your rigging and style, and the water condition at your local.

Thanks a lot
But I cant copy the video it says unsupported file .if you can help me again it would be nice .

Are these photos of the conditions you will be sailing in or at the windier location on holidays?