North masts

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Gestalt
Gestalt
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28 Jul 2007 8:14pm
I was hoping someone could point me in the direction of a mast that will work in a north race sail.

looking for more options than just a north mast so i need to know what other brand masts have similar bend characteristics.

i can't remember if north masts are stiff in the tip and soft down low or the other way round.

cheers.
decrepit
decrepit
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28 Jul 2007 7:10pm
Somebody else will probably give you a more definitive answer, but I've had a 4.7 & a 5.3 north Dr X, they rigged fine on my kilwell matrix 5, which are standard constant curve. If race sails follow suit, that should give you a good choice.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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28 Jul 2007 7:41pm
Seems most of their masts are relatively constant curve thru to slightly tip-flexy. Thus I agree with decrep......... for race sails though I'd rig it up first and have a good look

Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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28 Jul 2007 7:48pm
quote:
Originally posted by decrepit

I've had a 4.7 & a 5.3 north Dr X,



It was the Moreno twins dressed up as nurses in the magazine ad's that sold you wasn't it
Gestalt
Gestalt
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29 Jul 2007 12:10am
thanks guys. all good help.

i am not sure why you would get a red thumb there decrepit. seems stupid if you ask me.

anyways.

the mast i currently rig the 7.5m on is an art speedstick. from what i understand this is actually a rebadged powerex.

So the north sail (2000 model IQ) doesn't get loose at the head. it has the min, med, max indicators but no matter how much downhaul i give it (with a winch) she no floppy.......

actually i winched so hard one day that mister vando who sails in 30cm of water at 40 knots with a 28cm fin actually flinched, said that's enough and took a step back.

so other than buying a secondhand north mast i am at looking for something that'll do the job.
decrepit
decrepit
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28 Jul 2007 10:32pm
quote:
Originally posted by Mark _australia


It was the Moreno twins dressed up as nurses in the magazine ad's that sold you wasn't it


No they were the best value for money at seabreeze in Rockingham at the time.
Bugs was too busy with yachting stuff and shade sails to make them for me.
decrepit
decrepit
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28 Jul 2007 10:34pm
quote:
Originally posted by Gestalt

thanks guys. all good help.

i am not sure why you would get a red thumb there decrepit. seems stupid if you ask me.




Red thumb?? I see no red thumb.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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29 Jul 2007 12:01am
quote:
Originally posted by Gestalt

thanks guys. all good help.

the mast i currently rig the 7.5m on is an art speedstick. from what i understand this is actually a rebadged powerex.

So the north sail (2000 model IQ) doesn't get loose at the head. it has the min, med, max indicators but no matter how much downhaul i give it (with a winch) she no floppy.......




Makes sense. The Fiberspar race masts were very top-stiff few years ago (2-5 yrs ago, dunno about last coupla yrs). You'll downhaul like buggery and still won't get enough twist.

If no North, anything "normal" will suffice. Not NP or Maui Sails. Maybe Severne, Gun, Tush.

You'd have to rig it first to really know.

slackest
slackest
SA
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29 Jul 2007 10:32am
does it not tell you in the manual for the sail the mcs(Curve) you need for it mcs? if you do not have the manual go to the north site and look it up, then just look up the other manafacturers,hope this is helpfull.
It is important as i got the new 5.7 voodoo and it did not go well until i got the right mast.
Regards Slack
sandiman
sandiman
WA
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29 Jul 2007 11:30am
Hi,iv'e been using North race & slalom sails for about six seasons and tried different masts inc NP Powerex Fiberspar and North.
Undoubtably the North masts work best but Powerex (80%)490 seemed to work nice in the 1998 7.8 IQ and NP CK95 460 in the 6.2 & 7.0 set pretty well also(adjust cams to suit mast diamater), still have a 2000 IQ 7.5 myself and have used it with Fiberspar 490/29 90% but never felt good and didn't set properly,now have North mast .
One of the recent UK mags has a good article on mast and sail compatability,don't have it here a.t.m. but seems though Powerex will work ok in most where as North,NP & Fiberspar etc.are more brand specific.
decrepit
decrepit
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29 Jul 2007 6:22pm
quote:
Originally posted by slackest

does it not tell you in the manual for the sail the mcs(Curve) you need for it mcs?




As far as I know, the "mcs" is a measure of stiffness, not curve!!! It tells you the overall bend of a mast under a certain load, not the relative bends of base and tip.
It's important to have both right of course, but I think it's more important to have the correct curve than correct stiffnes.
Gestalt
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4 Aug 2007 10:12pm
hi guys,

been in bed for a week with the flu that's goin around. I meant to answer this one earlier but hadn't got the chance.

decrepits on the money about mcs. that's not a measure of bend curve. it's a measure of stiffness. for eg the 7.5 i got specifies a 28-30 imcs mast that is 490 long. so i rig it on a 490 75% carbon imcs 29 mast.

i can say without any doubt it is not the right bend curve for the sail even though the spec is correct. because the leech isn't right. the sail still rigs ok (as mark says it will suffice) but it does feels heavy and doesn't have the twist it needs.

i've seen lots of north sails around that are rigged on lots of masts that aren't north and in my opinion none of them have looked to be rigged correctly. i think it will only work at it's best with a north mast. "bugger!"

will just make do until i can get a Koncept, i know they rig on normal masts like the powerex.

sandiman, i'd be keen on reading the article if you have any links?
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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5 Aug 2007 7:07am
I found it, was May issue Boards magazine

Not the whole article unless u are a member but some of it is on their equipment test page www.boards.co.uk

finally a major mag has the guts to criticise some of the big brands
fitz66
fitz66
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5 Aug 2007 9:31am
Hey Gestalt, I've got that issue of Boards, I give it to you at the swap meet.
NotWal
NotWal
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5 Aug 2007 7:52pm
Hey Gestalt,

If your Art mast is a rebadged Powerex chances are good that it will have a 12% bend. If the sail isn't loose enough in the top that would imply you may need something more like a 14/15% bend. The Guns and NPs are in that range. Why not borrow one and see.

Oh n also those IQs were notorious for needing humoungous downhaul. It may be ok to use something a bit softer than IMCS 29.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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5 Aug 2007 6:09pm
quote:
Originally posted by fitz66

Hey Gestalt, I've got that issue of Boards, I give it to you at the swap meet.



any chance of a scan and email it thru please please please
NotWal
NotWal
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5 Aug 2007 8:15pm
yea me too....
fitz66
fitz66
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5 Aug 2007 9:29pm
My scanner died the other day ,looking for a new one at the moment guys
Haggar
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5 Aug 2007 9:44pm
Send me your email addresses guys, I'll email to you, but I hope you have broadband as the files are big !!!
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