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Samb0
Samb0
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270 posts
23 Aug 2007 5:01pm
Can't this be stopped to save "Spot X" ?
Rex
Rex
WA
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Rex Rex
WA, 949 posts
23 Aug 2007 9:52pm
The only saviour would be if the Iron Ore boom crashes, because it is the iron ore and only the iron ore that is driving oakagee's proposed port.
Samb0
Samb0
270 posts
270 posts
24 Aug 2007 10:16am
When I see the photo on this news item www.seabreeze.com.au/Members/Content/News/Windsurfing/Geraldton-Artificial-Surfing-Reef-Petition_1195894.aspx

I find it hard to take that Australia is selling out like this to destroy what looks like an incredible reef surf. And to China makes it worse. This is so WRONG....
hardie
hardie
WA
4133 posts
WA, 4133 posts
24 Aug 2007 10:31am
It's a huge shame, there's no way it will be stopped now. BHP predicts China's need for steel and Iron ore will continue for the next 20 years. Therefore this will go ahead. Parts of the Gero community have been fighting this for about 10 years, the best they can hope for is an artificial reef as compensation.... so if ya wanna surf, windsurf or kitesurf on an artificial reef which compensates for Oakajee, then download the petition, get as many people to sign it as possible and send it off!!!!!!!!!!

Gero is a Magic place, needs to be compensated for this major loss
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
3578 posts
WA, 3578 posts
24 Aug 2007 10:44am
Has anyone contacted ACA or TodayTonight to do a story about this? While it won't stop it, it might give more leverage to getting the artifical reef put in place.

The sad truth is that as long as there is a dollar to be made humans will rape the planet for all it's worth. This is why I also believe all the anti climate change efforts at the moment are a cry in the wind. I will change zilch. Sadly!

Some European countries have been heavy on Recylcing, reduction of CO2 emissions etc. for the last 20 years. All that means nothing once the 2 billion people monster called China becomes fully industrialised. Take a look at the polution levels in Being to see where we are heading.

My guess is the next major project for Gero will be a nuclear powerplant... with the potential of putting a fuel rodd rebreeder where the new Oakajee port will be. Mark my words.
Samb0
Samb0
270 posts
270 posts
24 Aug 2007 10:53am
Stuff Bloody China!!!!! I wanted to go to Geralton in the future.Compensation for this destruction is not good enough. Every Ocean lover in this country should sign that petition. But I can see that money speaks louder than any words and signatures ever can. Come on all you surfers and windsurfers and kitesurfers out there, make yourselves heard on this...
elmo
elmo
WA
8894 posts
WA, 8894 posts
24 Aug 2007 10:58am
Geraldton is being compensated.

It gets local industry and the resultant employment and greater support infrastructure which goes with it.

Without this type of industry and the benefits it provides to Australian economy we wold not be able to afford half the toys we have to play with.

The reality is that the project will most likely employ more people than there is which surf, windsurf or Kite up in Geraldton and that includes the Seagulls (tourists from Perth) who only go up for a week and don't actually give much back to the area.

The other reality is you've got Bucklies of stopping by grizzling on forums, if you are that concerned get of your freckles and start protesting at the sites, get yourself on the news, find and endangered species of beer can or syringe on the shore take them to court.

Probably not a popular POV but there you go
king of the point
king of the point
WA
1836 posts
WA, 1836 posts
24 Aug 2007 11:13am
Elmo what a load of ****......Gero is fine with out more work AND more infrastructure... were all on good coin... and everyone here has enough on at the moment.... PLUSS WE have a life style....

STUFF what u percieve to be progress,,,,,far enough you got an opinion,,, good.

The major of benifits will go overseas.Just like Port Headland if we dont start making demands.

Anyway If it happens and when it happens we should have inplace AS MUCH SUPPORT AS POSSIBLE.....TO WIN SOME OF THE $$$$$$$$$ TO BUILD SOMETHING.....TO REPLACE THE SPOT.
king of the point
king of the point
WA
1836 posts
WA, 1836 posts
24 Aug 2007 11:33am
One other thing Elmo ...the fact u call it Grizzling shows us your true colours......What over 2000 posts of dribble/grizzle...I think so
elmo
elmo
WA
8894 posts
WA, 8894 posts
24 Aug 2007 11:46am
Like I said not a popular POV, just mine.

But heres some points to consider.

When the first settlers arrived at Geraldton, Bunbury (anywhere) there were no existing facilities, there was no ports, no roads, no shops etc these all came from the pursuit of making profits.

Towns like Dampier, Karratha, Port Hedland didn't realy exist until someone went there to make a profit. Everything has to be paid for somehow.

Yes some of the profits will go overseas, but in reality unless you own some major shares in Rio or BHP you never see any of these anyway, how we benefit is from the royalties this type of industry generates for the Australia which if I heard rightly WA accounts for 30+% of GNI (may be wildly inaccurate there).

I totally agree with KOP's statement that Australia should try to make more stuff locally but it's extremely hard when people want to be paid more than $5 per hour. I say this as the company which I work for is a local manufacturer who supplies local industry, we are also of of the extreme rarities in Australia which actually exports products to Asia rather than the other way round.

I don't really feel much sympathy for the seagulls grizzling about the development as they only go up for a week a year (if that) camp on the beach (so as not to have to pay a caravan park), take up their own food (so as not to have to pay the higher local prices) and then complain about how rough the road is or why haven't they bitumised the road into "whatever" surf break.

The people which I do feel sorry for are the local crew such as KOP, this is they're home, this is they're back yard and play ground.
Samb0
Samb0
270 posts
270 posts
24 Aug 2007 12:24pm
So why can't the port be put where it won't destroy a surf break? You must have a thing about "seagulls" Elmo. This is all one country as far as I know, and to destroy the natural beauty of an area for the sake of profit$ should concern us all even if it is in someone's backyard. It all stops when there is nothing left to rape on this planet.
elmo
elmo
WA
8894 posts
WA, 8894 posts
24 Aug 2007 12:49pm
A Seagull is a term used to describe a person who goes into and area flaps their wings, squakes a lot, craps all over the place and then bogg's of home with out any real benefit to the area.

I also agree with the Idea of preserving our natural heratige but to put the point to Sambo, you sail (possibly live in Miami) how did that get there or was it already in place?

I also disagree with Australia's "dig it up ship it out" mentality sooner or later we are just going to end up as one dirty great big hole in the ground.

My point is (was originally) that if you want to do something about it then do it.


Mr King

Yes I do dribble a fair amount of ****e

All the best fight the good fight
king of the point
king of the point
WA
1836 posts
WA, 1836 posts
24 Aug 2007 2:28pm
Look ive had 20 years of it.....Like you I can turn my back on any area to make a buck ...... In ones life things change and are taken out of ones hands ,,,,but then theres greed exessive greed...

Its called displacment and the aborigonies coped it and now it our/MY turn to loose a life style,and existance A passion......?

Its not a fight for me.....its an eye opener ,I like many will say.. "i have had the most and best of it" ..... So what now i will profit from it.....

But hey its the crew who will never see and or get a chance to enjoy the pleasures of such a pristine all round ultimate windsurfing venue.
But hey again stuff the next generation (Im white)......sand and new waves will form and new banks and pits will eventuate.....

Then again it would be great to think it was agreed apon and guarantee.?
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shi thouse
shi thouse
WA
1159 posts
WA, 1159 posts
24 Aug 2007 3:31pm
I have just gotten back from two weeks in China, and I didn't see the sun the entire time and that wasn't because it was overcast!!

A very scary place as far as the environment goes and Australia is very instrumental in assisting this level of "progressive development".

Such a trip makes you truly appreciate the size of our population, lack of pollution and so called "environmental policies" that we have.

Good luck Gero do what ever you can to save it!


elmo
elmo
WA
8894 posts
WA, 8894 posts
24 Aug 2007 7:59pm
King

Where do we find this Partition to sign?

Is there any other things under way?
Samb0
Samb0
270 posts
270 posts
25 Aug 2007 10:17am
Originally posted by elmo

A Seagull is a term used to describe a person who goes into and area flaps their wings, squakes a lot, craps all over the place and then bogg's of home with out any real benefit to the area.

Ah yes, I understand now... There are quite a few of those everywhere. I know what you mean. Plenty here on the Goldie and they do leave their rubbish all over the place.

Back on topic.. What is so strategic about Geralton? There is a Yankee army base around the area too? Could be more than meets the eye in this.

Well shi thouse , that does sound scary regarding polution in China.
It is nice to be back home isn't it? Gero is going to need more than luck though..
Samb0
Samb0
270 posts
270 posts
25 Aug 2007 10:19am
Rex
Rex
WA
949 posts
Rex Rex
WA, 949 posts
25 Aug 2007 2:55pm
Progress has caught up with sleepy old Gero, with all the rabid development the infrastructure is very strained. The developers worry me more than a port at Oakagee, nothing is sacred in the pursuit of more money, they now have a mariner development planned for Glenfields beach and the shame is with the influx of people coming to town they are probably going to need it somewhere, council mentality is developement at any cost.

As much as people may not agree with Elmo, he is close to the mark.
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