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Edge
Edge
WA
136 posts
WA, 136 posts
31 Oct 2006 8:50pm
Hey folks, just needing some advice on stepping down a sail size for these great seabreezes, they just blow too hard for me (65kgs) on the 5.0m

looking through the buy and sell, seeing a few 4.5's and 4.7's. Would I be safe going for a 4.7 if I'm overpowered on a 5.0?

James.
Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
WA, 7733 posts
31 Oct 2006 8:55pm
I'd go a bit smaller 4.3 to 4.5 m. 0.5 m is a good step in wave sails. Modern sails allow a bit more tuning, so you may be able to get away with 4.3.
Edge
Edge
WA
136 posts
WA, 136 posts
31 Oct 2006 9:19pm
Thanks Pug, looking closely at a few sails
garynoel
garynoel
WA
260 posts
WA, 260 posts
1 Nov 2006 4:53pm

Edge you could just sail overpowered and practice your forward loops each time you get catapulted.
.....Or buy a smaller sail.
I got 4.0, 4.5, 5.2, 5.7 and can feel BIG differences between them. I'm gonne swap out my 4.5 and 4.0 for 4.7 and 4.2 next change.

Gaz
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
WA, 7608 posts
1 Nov 2006 8:15pm
I am 65kgs and my most used sail is a 5m. I use this sail in 18-23knots. I then use a 4.2m in 20-30knots. Sometimes I wish I had a sail to fill in between the 4.2m and 5m like a 4.5m or 4.7m?
I also have a 5.7m which I use in 15-20knots.
As Pugs said modern sails have big range.
In true 25knots+ I stuggle to hang onto the 4.2m and thats downhauled and outhauled to the max Once again I need a 3.7m for those ballistic days
But that requires getting a mast and boom to suit meaning more $$$ and only using it a handful of times every year
Edge
Edge
WA
136 posts
WA, 136 posts
1 Nov 2006 8:38pm
My current 5.0 is an older sail (tushingham 5sc series) and may not be 'spilling' out the head enough as the newer than 2000 sails do. Any thoughts?
hobie14t
hobie14t
QLD
259 posts
QLD, 259 posts
1 Nov 2006 10:57pm
Hi Edge, what kind of sailing are we talkin? flat or wave? I would recommend a more recent 5.0 sail and just giving it heaps of downhaul
Edge
Edge
WA
136 posts
WA, 136 posts
1 Nov 2006 9:20pm
Flat water at the moment, yet I'm just getting comfortable on a wave board very kindly lent to me.
bubs
bubs
SA
924 posts
SA, 924 posts
2 Nov 2006 2:48pm
hi again james.

i'm around the 65kg mark like you and my smallest sail is a Neilpryde 2000 core wave 5.0 and i sail that in high winds. from what i have sailed myself, i think that wave sails are much nicer to sail especially in high winds. i think that a newer sail defently would help a lot though. 2000+ mabey.

i did considder getting a 4.5 to 4.7 at one stage but thought there wouldnt be much point because im still having a great time out there when i am over powered.

i find i get along fine with a 5.0 in 15 to 17 or 18 knots and then when it gets any more dan that i get a bit outa control. but that doesnt bother me enough to have to spend another 3 or 4 hundred dollars. but i think that if you were going to get a new sail i would get a newer 5.0 (2000+ like a said before).

what othe sail sizes have you got? how much bigger are they if u got any others?

hope dis helps
bubs
Edge
Edge
WA
136 posts
WA, 136 posts
2 Nov 2006 1:26pm
Thanks bubs, does help. Deciding to go for a newer model 5.0m, only got some smaller, older sails apart from this one. (3.7 and 4.0 from when I was a youngster)
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12884 posts
WA, 12884 posts
2 Nov 2006 7:59pm
Edge the 4.7 is too small a jump, unless you plan to buy a new 5.3.
I'm 68 and mainly use a 5.3 and 4.7 for wave sailing I use the 5.3 between 12 and 20knts the 4.7 between 18 and 25. For blasting around add 5 knts to those figures, (I go for control over power when wave riding, and speed for blasting).
If you're going to stick with a 5 go 4.5 for the next sail down.
junior freestyle
junior freestyle
QLD
546 posts
QLD, 546 posts
2 Nov 2006 10:11pm
hey edge dude. i am a fellow 65 kg sailor. I have 5.7 as the bigegst and a 5 for 17-25 and then 4.5 all the way until about 45 knots. i think having a smaller baord also helps like 70 liters. frees u up alot
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
WA, 7608 posts
2 Nov 2006 8:17pm
Does QLD get 45 knots?
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
2 Nov 2006 10:28pm
naah, tell him he's dreamin!
WSguy
WSguy
10 posts
10 posts
2 Nov 2006 8:41pm
Hello from New England. I just want to put in a quick reply to the thread and come back later. I sail overpowered often. You can get used to it. I find I prefer it to being left slogging or stuck in a lull. It's a question of added skills. I'm firmly convinced that throwing money at a problem in this sport never solves it.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12884 posts
WA, 12884 posts
2 Nov 2006 8:44pm
quote:
Originally posted by Edge

My current 5.0 is an older sail (tushingham 5sc series) and may not be 'spilling' out the head enough as the newer than 2000 sails do. Any thoughts?



Depends, on if it was designed with a loose leach. Don't know anything about last century Tushinghams, but most wave sails were loose leach buy 97, some a few years earlier. That's what lets the head twist off and give good top end. the more downhaul the more it can twist.
Trouble is the non loose leach sails weren't designed to have so much downhaul, if you downhaul them to try and make the leach loose, you're likely to do serious damage to the sail, (as I found out on an early 90s sail logic). And the leach probably wont go loose anyway.

The newer fat head sails twist easier and with less downhaul, but they're not a quantum improvment, over a good loose leach from last century.
Edge
Edge
WA
136 posts
WA, 136 posts
2 Nov 2006 10:47pm
Cheers guys, went for a 5.0m 2003 neil pryde zone at a nice price that I picked up from the buy and sell section here

Rigged her up quickly tonight and she really perls off the head when its downhauled hard, should be great for me in those overpowered sessions I had with the old tushingham.

Out to have a sail tomorrow, plus I'm taking a trip south this weekend - should have a sail at safety bay on the way down to bunbury.

James.
WSguy
WSguy
10 posts
10 posts
3 Nov 2006 8:25pm
Actually, purling (the preferred spelling) is a hydraulic term and wouldn't be appropriate here although I can get your drift. They usually employ >>twisting off<<, but we really could use a better, more scientific term.
Edge
Edge
WA
136 posts
WA, 136 posts
3 Nov 2006 9:57pm
Thanks WSguy, but that should have been pearls or pearling

got out today and had a fantastic time at lucky bay, cranked the downhaul on as I felt overpowered, brilliant!
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
4 Nov 2006 7:02am
Glad the new sail works for you Edge

I just spent half an hour trying to figure out the correct spelling of [perling, pearling, purling]. As far as I can tell it was a term invented by surfers in the 60's for when a surfer stuffs the surfboard's nose into the water on the take-off, leading to the board heading for the bottom and then popping up a moment later. This led to the term "Pearl Diving", which then got shortened to "Pearling", and was corrupted to "Perling" and "Purling". Or maybe that's an urban myth and it is really a hydraulic term that got borrowed?

Anyone got any competing theories?
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12884 posts
WA, 12884 posts
4 Nov 2006 4:02pm
Funny you should ask that nebbian. A similar discussion was had on rec.windsurfing a few months ago. I think the general conclusion was they are 2 seperate terms. You're right about the surfing term pearldiving - pearling meaning to nose dive on take off.
Here's what my online dictionary has to say about the other.

"The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48"
Purl Purl, v. i. imp. & p. p. Purled; p. pr. & vb. n.
Purling. Cf. Sw. porla, and E. pur to murmur as a cat.
1. To run swiftly round, as a small stream flowing among
stones or other obstructions; to eddy; also, to make a
murmuring sound, as water does in running over or through
obstructions.
1913 Webster

Swift o'er the rolling pebbles, down the hills,
Louder and louder purl the falling rills. --Pope.
1913 Webster

2. Perh. fr. F. perler to pearl, to bead. See Pearl, v. &
n. To rise in circles, ripples, or undulations; to curl;
to mantle.
1913 Webster

thin winding breath which purled up to the sky.
--Shak.
1913 Webster

"The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48"
Purling Purl"ing, n. See 3d Purl.
The motion of a small stream running among obstructions;
also, the murmur it makes in so doing.
1913 Webster
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