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AUS-057
AUS-057
QLD
466 posts
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28 Feb 2007 6:24pm
Hi all,

I have a 460 RDM mast. Can you rig a cammed sail like a Gaastra GTX on a RDM? Does the cams rotate properly?

Thanks
David
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23684 posts
WA, 23684 posts
28 Feb 2007 5:42pm
Yes and No. You can rig it but the cams will not contat the mast enough to make the sail rotate properly. Obviously cams work by batten tension pushing the cam against the mast which makes it roll around the mast.

To make it work properly all you'd have to do is measure (roughly) the diameter of the recommended mast at the points the cams touch it.... and the diameter of the skinny.
Then make up the difference with a plastic shim about 5-20mm thick in each cam. line it with something like Coles bag plastic but thicker and it will be slippy enuf to rotate properly.

BTW the old GTX's were very non mast specific (for a gaastra that is amazing) I had about a 2001-2 model 7.5, and rigged it on an oldish Powerex 30% carbon. It set awesome and racers could not believe how well (I'm a wave sailor so I didn't care it was just my lite wind muck around sail on a FW board). Many race sails set crap on anything less than a 75% fromthe correct recommended manufacturer
KRUZA
KRUZA
QLD
68 posts
QLD, 68 posts
11 Apr 2007 1:29pm
depending on the size of the sail most of the top sailors like Finiard Maynard the world record holder use the RDM mast because of the leading edge.
drjukka
drjukka
QLD
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QLD, 258 posts
11 Apr 2007 10:58pm
I have Naish 6.0 Stealth that only rigs on an RDM - Cams rotate

Also have anm Ezzy 5.7 Infinity - cams rotate fine.

Bottom line - if the sail is designed for RDM then no problem.


-J
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
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11 Apr 2007 9:05pm
Hey Kruza,

Are you saying that the smaller radius on a RDM means a change in how the airfoil works (nose radius)? And it's nothing to do with flex response, or weight?

Hmmmm interesting... Do you have a link with more information on this?

Just found this: http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1446&p=1 which has a bit more technical discussion about mast diameter and turbulence.

It's so hard to sort the armchair aerodynamicists from the real guys though
drjukka
drjukka
QLD
258 posts
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11 Apr 2007 11:18pm
Nebs,

for the Ezzy 5.7 Infinty the RDM makes a huge difference in both top and bottom end performance.

I was always very sceptical about mast performance until I experienced the difference the RDM mast makes over a conventional mast for this sail (which can legitimately - at least as recommende by the manufacturer - be rigged on a normal or RDM mast).

On a normal mast the sail has no bottom end and limited top end (very narrow range). On an RDM great bottom end, huge range (17-34 knots) and good control.

- Mast makes a difference - but the sail needs to be designed for it.

- J

AUS-057
AUS-057
QLD
466 posts
QLD, 466 posts
12 Apr 2007 7:46am
Hi all,

I ended up buying an Ezzy Infinity 7.5. It works ok on my Gaastra RDM. Didnt want to buy a new mast and sail at the same time.

Katapult
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
12 Apr 2007 6:23am
quote:
Originally posted by drjukka

Nebs,

for the Ezzy 5.7 Infinty the RDM makes a huge difference in both top and bottom end performance.

I was always very sceptical about mast performance until I experienced the difference the RDM mast makes over a conventional mast for this sail (which can legitimately - at least as recommende by the manufacturer - be rigged on a normal or RDM mast).

On a normal mast the sail has no bottom end and limited top end (very narrow range). On an RDM great bottom end, huge range (17-34 knots) and good control.

- Mast makes a difference - but the sail needs to be designed for it.

- J





17-34 knots? You're joking, right? Your 5.7 can handle 34 knots? Yowza!

Mine maxes out at about 25 (standard mast), anything more and it gets a life of its own, grows horns and hooves if you know what I mean!

If only skinnies weren't so expensive
TelecomGreg
TelecomGreg
QLD
94 posts
QLD, 94 posts
12 Apr 2007 12:20pm
Last Saturday Troppo and I were both using 07 5.7m KA Kaos
He is using a Gaastra RDM his sail is fuller and a lot more powerful
I use an Ezzy RDM my sail is flat and gutless???
We swapped rigs and confirmed this
Any Ideas???

TelecomGreg
Paul Kelf
Paul Kelf
WA
678 posts
WA, 678 posts
12 Apr 2007 11:17am
Originally posted by TelecomGreg

Last Saturday Troppo and I were both using 07 5.7m KA Kaos
He is using a Gaastra RDM his sail is fuller and a lot more powerful
I use an Ezzy RDM my sail is flat and gutless???
We swapped rigs and confirmed this
Any Ideas???

Check the stiffness of both masts and compare, I would guess that the Ezzy is stiffer or you didn't downhaul it enough

Paul
drjukka
drjukka
QLD
258 posts
QLD, 258 posts
12 Apr 2007 9:40pm
Nebs,

Yes - 34 knots!!!! for the 5.7.

I have footage of me at Sandy Point in a NW blowing 25-38 knots with me sailing the ezzy 5.7 - and the chop was savage - short and sharp.!!

The rdm mast make a HUGE difference in the range of this sail compared to rigging on a std mast - where the sail handles like "A DOG" - and that is being complimentary.

For reference I was sialing the 5.7 Ezzy last Sat (Easter Sat) at Manly with gusts coming through at 30+ knots.

- J
drjukka
drjukka
QLD
258 posts
QLD, 258 posts
12 Apr 2007 9:40pm
Nebs,

Yes - 34 knots!!!! for the 5.7.

I have footage of me at Sandy Point in a NW blowing 25-38 knots with me sailing the ezzy 5.7 - and the chop was savage - short and sharp.!!

The rdm mast make a HUGE difference in the range of this sail compared to rigging on a std mast - where the sail handles like "A DOG" - and that is being complimentary.

For reference I was sialing the 5.7 Ezzy last Sat (Easter Sat) at Manly with gusts coming through at 30+ knots.

- J
vando
vando
QLD
3419 posts
QLD, 3419 posts
12 Apr 2007 10:18pm
ah yes fond memories -J especial that crash mate superb.
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14965 posts
QLD, 14965 posts
12 Apr 2007 10:21pm
i was on a 5.7 Kaos.
with standard powerex.

the guys i know that use the skinnies on the smaller sails like them a lot.
Longreef
Longreef
NSW
49 posts
NSW, 49 posts
13 Apr 2007 12:07am
The Gaastra Mast is a little softer in the bottom section than most, ie it is more constant curve.
While others eg powerex and fiberspar etc have stiff bottom and flexy top in comparison. this has the effect of making the sail fuller in the bottom but not with a constant layoff in the leach. therefore having the effect of pulling you over the front but not being very controllable in the gusts and not really that easy to get going.

re the original question. GTX on RDM, you can get some rectangular cam spacers to make up the distance of the cams on the mast. You should find increased wind range and better upwind performance using the RDM. Although be aware the RDm and STD masts are notecesarily the same bend curve
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