Redcliffe bash debrief.

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AUS154 Chris
AUS154 Chris
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23 Apr 2006 11:43am
ow wos the sailing up there yesterday guys? Nebbian? Haircut? Was the shore break enough for the 2.5 year-old Gestalt?
Haircut
Haircut
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23 Apr 2006 12:03pm
twoz a leurvelee day allround Apparently Gestalt has some photos for show-and-tell. Wind was pretty good, nice clear day, lots of sailors there, nice bbq, was fun
Gestalt
Gestalt
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23 Apr 2006 12:47pm
still working on the photos.... will write up some info soon....

did you stay overnight haircut?
Haircut
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23 Apr 2006 1:01pm
no, i ended up coming home by about 8.30 We ummed and errred, and checked out a motel that was unfortunately full, and decided to go home at last minute. Looks like wind wasn't around today anyway so probably did the right thing.
nebbian
nebbian
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23 Apr 2006 12:18pm
I was there, had a great time. Did a couple of jumps, although didn't land them... one in particular had me halfway up the sail, not attached to anything, wondering what part of the board I would hit when I came down

It was really good to have an introduction to windsurfing in swell, some of the waves coming through were about a metre deep, with big pockets. Managed to catch a couple of waves in the shorebreak back into shore, now I've got some idea of what those surfers are on about...

One problem I had though was staying upwind -- I'd spend 200 metres just trying to get planing then head upwind, but after a splatt gybe and another 200 metres slogging, I'd get back to the shore a fair way downwind. If a gust came through when I was starting to head down the back of a wave then I would start planing, but otherwise it was slog city. Was told that perhaps my fin is too small, I think it's around 31 cm or so. Has anyone else had that experience when out in swell for the first time? I've got no problems staying upwind in flat water, but it looks like swell is a different kettle of fish... Also how much outhaul did everyone else have on? I had max down and outhaul on a wave 5.7 sail, 104 litre board, I'm 80 kg. Perhaps I needed a bit less outhaul?

Completely stuffed after doing the walk of shame a number of times, the last time I couldn't even get out past the (admittedly small) shorebreak! Well worth it though
Haircut
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23 Apr 2006 2:34pm
gees you timed that photo well Gestalt. I look like i've invented a slide backwards right on the very nose of the board trick.

After my 9847563 vulcan attempts yesterday, and not pulling a single one of them off, i feel compelled to show some sort of evidence that i can actually do them, so here is the evidence - not the best one but at least it's on film thanks to Paul & Mark

members.dodo.com.au/thevegemitekid/cecw/photos_videos/vulcan.wmv

Gestalt
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23 Apr 2006 6:01pm
i think that is called a planing tack......

i think you were in form on saturday haircut. it was great to watch...thanks for coming up. will be down your way soon...

at least i could take photos of you. every time i took a photo of vando all i got was a yellow blur across the screen.i think the gps boys should be very scared.....

lungs
lungs
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23 Apr 2006 8:02pm
Hey nebbian, I use a sail n board thats about 8 or 9 years old so I don't know how they compare with newer gear but I've always used the rule of thumb (which seems to work), the stronger the wind the more downhall and more outhall is used(don't make the sail as flat as an ironing board though).Because of the holes and seemingly lighter wind close in and in front of where we were launching I set my sail with just enough down and outhall to take out the wrinkles, this gave the sail enough shape to power through the luls,though it felt a bit heavy in the stronger wind further out. Trial and error is the best way to set the sail,come in make adjustments and try again.A great day was had and I'll try and make it to the next one.

p.s did anyone notice the pair of dolphins
mkseven
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24 Apr 2006 4:57am
Dont worry too much nebbian it was tough conditions and not a very encouraging introduction to open water sailing. Chop was running from several directions and I suspect there was a bit of a sweep up the beach (enough to affect the board but not very noticeable).

I did learn something- hypersonics and those conditions do not mix... at least I didnt make the walk of shame aye Pat?
NotWal
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24 Apr 2006 6:34am
Neb,

I'm 69kg I was on a 93 litre board with a 6.00. Normal down and out haul (vis lots and just a bit respectively). I think you may have been underpowered.
ka72
ka72
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24 Apr 2006 11:43am
Hi nebbian

I'm 60kg and was on an 85 litre board at suttons beach with a 5.5m wave sail. I also used a 75 ltr wave board for a while and had no problems staying up wind on both boards. I agree with Notwal that you were probably a bit underpowered. I always thought the flatter the sail, the better for doing upwind? I actually came in and gave my sail a bit more outhaul as it felt a bit full and hard to handle out further. I was then pointing no probs at all.
mkseven
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24 Apr 2006 2:41pm
It is a fine line, flatter sails (draft back) point better but you need the power to get you up wind hence huge quite flat formula sails.

Nebbian one of the keys of sailing in open water is not to fall in, if you fall in with the sail on the wrong side and have to swim it around you have easily lost 50m. That and keep pointing upwind until that gust or swell arrives where you absolutely know it will get you on the plane.
nebbian
nebbian
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24 Apr 2006 1:46pm
Guys,

Thanks for the replies.

quote:
I did learn something- hypersonics and those conditions do not mix...
I saw you heading out into the shorebreak, it looked difficult to get past the breakers with such a wide board!!

Perhaps mkseven has the right answer, when I was planing I was outpointing many guys, I'd sail way off upwind, there would be two or three guys well downwind of me, every time I was absolutely certain I was really really going to be OK this time, then after the inevitable fall in to gybe I ended up back on the beach substantially downwind. The couple of waterstarts I had to do on the way back in probably didn't help either

Not to worry, apart from one catapult 20m from a rocky spit where I was sure I was going to end up as shark food (sail was on the wrong side, really concentrated on getting that waterstart right!) there were no major incidents, I learnt a heck of a lot, and I'm looking forward to trying out Currumbin when the waves are small
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