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gregob
gregob
NSW
264 posts
NSW, 264 posts
21 Jul 2013 1:15pm
After 3 months of using harness I was still not close to getting in both footstraps on my 145 lt funster. I had resigned myself to needing gale force winds to provide the right conditions.

Last week I went out on the 121 Lt carve in some fresh gusty conditions around 15 Kts - much heavier wind than I had ever been on the carve - it was like I was trying to give a cat a shower and trying to hold it down. I was all over the shop. I tried moving the mast track more forward - I started it a bit forward to start with - it helped a bit but was still loose.

So I googled a bit and found a starboard forum thread where the SB staff recommended to someone else to start by putting the mast track ALL the way BACK and test - then move forward 1cm at a time until sufficient control is achieved.

I found this a bit counter intuitive, i thought back was for less control. Anyway, I decided to try this on the funster yesterday just to see what effect it had.

It was a bit lighter and quicker to steer but that was about it. But, imagine my surprise when the wind picked up a bit and I looked at my feet and they were both next to the straps! I got excited and thought to myself, I should be able to just slide my feet into those - and walaaa!!! I was finally standing in those damn elusive bastards.

Afterwards I thought it was obvious. I'm a short ass, 5' 6" and moving the mast track back put me in a position to reach the straps - der.

Now I need to figure out the harness positioning - it just never felt totally comfortable no matter where i tried them.
PhilSWR
PhilSWR
NSW
1104 posts
NSW, 1104 posts
21 Jul 2013 1:39pm
Good one Greg! Sounds like some of the endless pieces are starting to fall into place for you. Keep at it, and go every day it's over 6 knots. More sailing less internet reading!...lol

With ya harness lines, try to set them so they near want to go in your belt hook when you're just standing there criusing about. This way all you'll have to do it raise your heals a tad and the lines will easily hook in. May need some boom hight adjustment first. Try all this on land with the fin out. On-ward and up-wards mate!
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23684 posts
WA, 23684 posts
21 Jul 2013 11:43am
Good stuff nice to hear the stoke :)

With the harness lines, I think sometimes it is best to get somebody else to set them for that sail on that day, then you just use it.
If they are in the wrong place you will compensate by moving your body and therefore too much back foot or front foot pressure etc and other things go wrong. Then you're forever chasing why things don't feel right.
aus301
aus301
QLD
2039 posts
QLD, 2039 posts
21 Jul 2013 6:28pm
I have tried the 2/3 method for the harness lines and wouldn't you know, it actually works (It measured exactly where I had my lines)

Measure the length of your boom and the set the rear attachments of you lines 2/3 the overall distance from the clew of the boom. Put your front line about a hand span in front of the rear and that will be pretty close.

Not saying it will be perfect, but pretty much was for me.
Carantoc
Carantoc
WA
7285 posts
WA, 7285 posts
21 Jul 2013 8:15pm
Greg

Where did you sail Friday ?

I thought it was a bit light and up and down. 5.8 was OK for short periods at a time but it wasn't the easiest afternoon's sailing I have ever had.


With the harness lines - get a bungy cord, put a mark 1/3 of the way along it (or use a cable tie because the mark is hard to make on a patterned bungy)

The rig up, stretch the bungy from boom head to clew and where the mark is is where the BACK harness line goes. Put the front line a fist width in front (your fist).

Do the same everytime you rig, it takes about 30 seconds. Make sure nobody is watching or they may laugh at you.


Now sail like that for several good sessions without changing it. If it feels wrong it is still right. If you feel like it is going to catapult you it is still right. If it is uncomfortable, tough ****, it is still right.

When it feels right and you feel conformtable then move them one inch forwards and backwards to see if it feels righter.

gregob
gregob
NSW
264 posts
NSW, 264 posts
22 Jul 2013 12:01am
Carantoc said..

Greg

Where did you sail Friday ?

I thought it was a bit light and up and down. 5.8 was OK for short periods at a time but it wasn't the easiest afternoon's sailing I have ever had.


With the harness lines - get a bungy cord, put a mark 1/3 of the way along it (or use a cable tie because the mark is hard to make on a patterned bungy)

The rig up, stretch the bungy from boom head to clew and where the mark is is where the BACK harness line goes. Put the front line a fist width in front (your fist).

Do the same everytime you rig, it takes about 30 seconds. Make sure nobody is watching or they may laugh at you.


Now sail like that for several good sessions without changing it. If it feels wrong it is still right. If you feel like it is going to catapult you it is still right. If it is uncomfortable, tough ****, it is still right.

When it feels right and you feel conformtable then move them one inch forwards and backwards to see if it feels righter.



Okie dokie I'll give that a go.

Repton - I have a mate that calls it yellow Rock - it's about 1/2 way between Urunga and Repton but I go on opposite side of river by driving out past Norco.

It's always gusty there but it's safe for those of us that can't water start or ride waves without destroying gear :)

I went out late wednesday afternoon and had a short blast before it got too dark - bring on daylight saving.


evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
23 Jul 2013 2:48pm
2/3 rule is the go.
However, if you don't have anything to measure with...

Plan B:
Put the harness lines about a hand's width apart right where the deepest part of the draft in the sail is. Approximately.

See the picture of the guy with green sail over there? --->
See how the harness lines are about where the deepest part of the sail is? It's a good starting point.

Then, adjust 1-2cm at a time in whichever direction your arms are getting tired in, until you can almost/just/completely let go.

Having the harness lines just, perfectly right makes means you're going to have a good time.

sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8349 posts
NSW, 8349 posts
23 Jul 2013 6:45pm
aus301 said..

I have tried the 2/3 method for the harness lines and wouldn't you know, it actually works (It measured exactly where I had my lines)

Measure the length of your boom and the set the rear attachments of you lines 2/3 the overall distance from the clew of the boom. Put your front line about a hand span in front of the rear and that will be pretty close.

Not saying it will be perfect, but pretty much was for me.


I find if I'm sailing in subplaning conditions with my 125 they need to be a little bit further forward to get in easily ( my feet are near the mast foot) but as the wind picks up I move them back to usual position as when the wind picks up you move further back along the board until you can get in the straps.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8349 posts
NSW, 8349 posts
23 Jul 2013 6:47pm
Carantoc said..

Greg

Where did you sail Friday ?

I thought it was a bit light and up and down. 5.8 was OK for short periods at a time but it wasn't the easiest afternoon's sailing I have ever had.


With the harness lines - get a bungy cord, put a mark 1/3 of the way along it (or use a cable tie because the mark is hard to make on a patterned bungy)

The rig up, stretch the bungy from boom head to clew and where the mark is is where the BACK harness line goes. Put the front line a fist width in front (your fist).

Do the same everytime you rig, it takes about 30 seconds. Make sure nobody is watching or they may laugh at you.


Now sail like that for several good sessions without changing it. If it feels wrong it is still right. If you feel like it is going to catapult you it is still right. If it is uncomfortable, tough ****, it is still right.

When it feels right and you feel conformtable then move them one inch forwards and backwards to see if it feels righter.



That's the guy cribb way.. I usually set mine up like that. It works- the only time I move mine are in the case mentioned above..when there's no wind.
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