www.change.org/p/elon-musk-please-create-effective-personal-shark-protection

Orcas are the most effective.

Ok. Just seems a bizarre request to somebody that has nothing to do with water sports, or would even care. But anyway, good luck with it. I just accept that I sail in shark's territory. If I get killed by a shark, then cest la vie.

This is what I was thinking too, but was being super polite about it:

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/SUP/SHARK-DETERRENT-please-support

Reach: Sorry if this is a strange question, but, you're not an AI agent by any chance ?

Saw these at a pet shop

www.msn.com/en-au/travel/parks/whale-carcass-forces-city-beach-closure-as-sharks-circle/ar-AA2d5vai

Good opportunity to test out devices ,any takers?

jn1 said..
I'm still trying to understand the connection. The only related thing that Elon Musk seems to have with ocean sports, is a fish face.

Sharklink has a ring to it.Anything could be possible with Super Intelligence formally known as Ai.

jn1 said..
Ok. Just seems a bizarre request to somebody that has nothing to do with water sports, or would even care. But anyway, good luck with it. I just accept that I sail in shark's territory. If I get killed by a shark, then cest la vie.

Yeah cool, I accept we are top of the food chain, so fair game, kill them all I say.

I'm not trusting a sh

jn1 said..
I'm still trying to understand the connection. The only related thing that Elon Musk seems to have with ocean sports, is a fish face.

His pics in a swim suit do suggest a familial connection with a beluga whale. I wake up each day glad I'm not him (Musk, not the whale).

The support-page has a picture of a scuba-diver. Every scuba-diver _wants to see_ sharks in the wild... we definitely dont want to scare them away. There is a phrase "Divers have too much money" and it exists because divers regularly go to holiday destinations... to see sharks (and obviously other big fish).

No scuba-diver will support such a plea, so if this isn't a scam website, then that pic probably should be removed.

You can get a shark repellant spray.

mathew said..
While on the subject of sharks....

Drum-lines... what the ?! ... all they do is _attract_ sharks, because they are baited. Putting them 500m offshore is just stupid. 10km maybe... dont put them close enough to bring the bigger predators closer to the shore.

Shark-nets... there is no definitive evidence that they work (how do you prove a negative?), and plenty of evidence they dont work (shark-bites inshore of the net). And they are expensive -> the per-year cost for "managing" the shark-nets in QLD alone, is about $30M per year. ("Managing" means - checking them everyday to remove the dead fish, repairing, replacement, etc, running the fleet of boats, the administration, the insurance for staff)

Agree, also FNQ shark nets also have baited hooks which attract crocs.

John340 said..

mathew said..
While on the subject of sharks....

Drum-lines... what the ?! ... all they do is _attract_ sharks, because they are baited. Putting them 500m offshore is just stupid. 10km maybe... dont put them close enough to bring the bigger predators closer to the shore.

Shark-nets... there is no definitive evidence that they work (how do you prove a negative?), and plenty of evidence they dont work (shark-bites inshore of the net).

Matt,
There has been one fatality and a handful of serious injuries on netted beaches due to shark attacks in NSW since netting begun ,90 years ago. There have been roughly 150 fatalities on un netted beaches in NSW since records began.It would appear based on these stats that while netting may not reduce all unprovoked shark interactions they have a significant effect in reducing fatalities.

Haha.. as an ecologist - and very much playing devil's advocate here..

It *could* be that the unnetted beaches are simply where most of the sharks live now. Looking at the NSW shark net map:
www.sharksmart.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/1240814/nsw-shark-program-2020-21-map.pdf
All the shark net beaches are concentrated around the Sydney area. This area of the coast could also be less attractive to sharks - due to for example a greater density of marine traffic scaring them off, or perhaps less food sources including seals (then again, there might be more seals, if there's less sharks), etc., which could explain the relative lack of attacks concentrated around the Sydney area.
Against this, you'd then have to weigh up the higher statistical probability of shark encounters due to more total person-hours in the water, which presumably is higher in the Sydney area - so on this basis you'd expect a counter greater frequency of attacks in this area.
As an ecological experiment - it is very poorly designed, haha.. and it might be difficult to test statistically.

Anyway - I like what someone said above - when I get into the shark's environment, well I accept that, basically.. And you have more than 100 times likelihood of being got by one than having a fatal road accident on the way to the beach.

I always figure - from a shark's eye perspective - a windsurfer with a massive sail, board silhouetted against the light most definitely looks very weird and probably does not look like food.

I think we're lucky here in NZ. Most of the sharks seem pretty chilled.

AoetearoaSailor said..

John340 said..

mathew said..
While on the subject of sharks....

Drum-lines... what the ?! ... all they do is _attract_ sharks, because they are baited. Putting them 500m offshore is just stupid. 10km maybe... dont put them close enough to bring the bigger predators closer to the shore.

Shark-nets... there is no definitive evidence that they work (how do you prove a negative?), and plenty of evidence they dont work (shark-bites inshore of the net).

Matt,
There has been one fatality and a handful of serious injuries on netted beaches due to shark attacks in NSW since netting begun ,90 years ago. There have been roughly 150 fatalities on un netted beaches in NSW since records began.It would appear based on these stats that while netting may not reduce all unprovoked shark interactions they have a significant effect in reducing fatalities.

Haha.. as an ecologist - and very much playing devil's advocate here..

It *could* be that the unnetted beaches are simply where most of the sharks live now. Looking at the NSW shark net map:
www.sharksmart.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/1240814/nsw-shark-program-2020-21-map.pdf
All the shark net beaches are concentrated around the Sydney area. This area of the coast could also be less attractive to sharks - due to for example a greater density of marine traffic scaring them off, or perhaps less food sources including seals (then again, there might be more seals, if there's less sharks), etc., which could explain the relative lack of attacks concentrated around the Sydney area.
Against this, you'd then have to weigh up the higher statistical probability of shark encounters due to more total person-hours in the water, which presumably is higher in the Sydney area - so on this basis you'd expect a counter greater frequency of attacks in this area.
As an ecological experiment - it is very poorly designed, haha.. and it might be difficult to test statistically.

100% this. The nets are where the people are. Most shark-bites occur where there aren't nets. ergo, hard to attribute success due to the number of variables. But easy to attest failure.

As it turns out, there may be a tech solution to replace shark-nets that may work to some degree. ( It isn't drones, although that is an interesting idea as well.) It would be significantly cheaper to install, requires no regular human intervention or maintenance... thus can be more widely deployed.

Reach said..
Im staying out of all the personalized stuff.

This petition is pretty simple - a very capable tech guy just might take an interest if asked. Maybe he'd just fund others. Maybe he swims or his kids are involved. Thats the only point here. I'd like myself and my family to feel safer. We have shark shield, have had them for 10 years, board version and dive version. But they don't protect individuals well enough in most water sports.

Reach AI or Reach Actual, you're asking possibly the biggest dckhole humanity as ever known. Your petition is so weird, that it's become a major distraction (and fair enough hey !). 15 years ago, maybe, when EM was an unknown, only read about on tech sites like slashdot. He was looking for random ideas back then. You might get better traction with a community project approach, like what rp6conrad has done with his GPS logger. But, most people here either accept the small risk of sharks, or have watched too many Jaws movies, and sail Boggy lake.

What about "Shark Banz" its like a watch that goes on your ankle and puts the shark off with off set magnets. My misses got me one when I was circled by a hammerhead at Lennox head one time and I did nearly S**t myself as it was massive.