Stuck mast - BEHOLD THE WOBBLETRON 6000 - easy seperation

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Reflex Films
Reflex Films
WA
1463 posts
WA, 1463 posts
21 Nov 2022 1:03pm
Simple but effective! 3 roof rackstraps and some well placed poles will do the trick for you in 10 minutes (I thought this mast was stuck for life- like a fool I got a bunch of desert sand in there before i went sailing)

elmo
elmo
WA
8896 posts
WA, 8896 posts
21 Nov 2022 1:40pm
Pcdefender
Pcdefender
WA
1607 posts
WA, 1607 posts
21 Nov 2022 2:27pm
Easiest solution is to get THREE people either side and TWIST hard.

Works every time period.
Reflex Films
Reflex Films
WA
1463 posts
WA, 1463 posts
21 Nov 2022 2:36pm
Pcdefender said..
Easiest solution is to get THREE people either side and TWIST hard.

Works every time period.


This CAN work - but that will fuse your mast together permanently if its really stuck - if you do manage to get twist stop and let the mast cool down before continuing.We have 5 people on each side of my mast originally and it wouldnt budge - i thought it was stuck forever!
Sandman1221
Sandman1221
2776 posts
2776 posts
22 Nov 2022 12:03am
Looks risky, could damage mast possibly? I invert mast and make a duck tape collar around the bottom of inverted joint, then spray joint with WD-40 and let soak in (reapply if WD-40 drains in) and let stand inverted overnight, next morning use 2 boom hitch knots to anchor lower section to a tree (make one boom hitch knot on lower mast section, wrap rope around tree, anchor other end of rope to lower mast section with another boom hitch knot), then just twist upper section until rope stack it taken up and then as you apply moderate twisting tension upper mast section will twist out.
Paducah
Paducah
2846 posts
2846 posts
22 Nov 2022 12:18am
That's just a really long... Shake Weight? (Props on sorting out your mast. )

olskool
olskool
QLD
2463 posts
QLD, 2463 posts
22 Nov 2022 4:48am
Invert mast, tip on ground.
Grab mast at chest to head height.
Give it a REAL SOLID VIOLENT shake/ whip around. Spin 90' then shake again. Repeat.
This crushes the sand in join. Mast section will wiggle out.
Happy days.
Have tried all other methods, but this reigns SUPREME for me.
Robertos
Robertos
144 posts
144 posts
22 Nov 2022 3:52am
Ended up 1 time pulling them apart by tying 1 to my van and 1 to my car
All other methods failed and I had enough.

It worked just a few scratches where I forgot to put some rubber.
Imax1
Imax1
QLD
4950 posts
QLD, 4950 posts
22 Nov 2022 6:06am
olskool said..
Invert mast, tip on ground.
Grab mast at chest to head height.
Give it a REAL SOLID VIOLENT shake/ whip around. Spin 90' then shake again. Repeat.
This crushes the sand in join. Mast section will wiggle out.
Happy days.
Have tried all other methods, but this reigns SUPREME for me.


Since you showed me this method , I am a big fan . Works a treat .
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
3580 posts
WA, 3580 posts
22 Nov 2022 9:27am
Pcdefender said..
Easiest solution is to get THREE people either side and TWIST hard.

Works every time period.


Nope... doesn't aways work. I once had a Neil Pryde mast with super fine sand stuck. Tried with 4 people on either size, multiple booms, the wobble technique... didn't come apart. Drove home with the mast taped to the side of the car.

Ended up using an old extension and tapping it with a rubber mallet. Mast came apart in about 5 minutes.
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
3580 posts
WA, 3580 posts
22 Nov 2022 9:31am
olskool said..
Give it a REAL SOLID VIOLENT shake/ whip around. Spin 90' then shake again. Repeat.
This crushes the sand in join. Mast section will wiggle out.
Happy days.
Have tried all other methods, but this reigns SUPREME for me.


This won't work if the culprit isn't sand but super fine carbon water mixture. I have seen this happen with 100% carbon masts from different brands. Easy to avoid. Just wrap a short piece of electric tape around the mast join. Bunnings has packs of 12 for $12.90. This will last you for years:
www.bunnings.com.au/click-assorted-pvc-insulation-tape-12-pack_p4430559
Sandman1221
Sandman1221
2776 posts
2776 posts
22 Nov 2022 9:47am
stehsegler said..

olskool said..
Give it a REAL SOLID VIOLENT shake/ whip around. Spin 90' then shake again. Repeat.
This crushes the sand in join. Mast section will wiggle out.
Happy days.
Have tried all other methods, but this reigns SUPREME for me.



This won't work if the culprit isn't sand but super fine carbon water mixture. I have seen this happen with 100% carbon masts from different brands. Easy to avoid. Just wrap a short piece of electric tape around the mast join. Bunnings has packs of 12 for $12.90. This will last you for years:
www.bunnings.com.au/click-assorted-pvc-insulation-tape-12-pack_p4430559


+1, tape, I use cheap duck tape, tear 2" wide tape lengthwise in half on the roll to get a piece, go back and forth to keep it even on roll.
Imax1
Imax1
QLD
4950 posts
QLD, 4950 posts
22 Nov 2022 1:26pm
stehsegler said..

olskool said..
Give it a REAL SOLID VIOLENT shake/ whip around. Spin 90' then shake again. Repeat.
This crushes the sand in join. Mast section will wiggle out.
Happy days.
Have tried all other methods, but this reigns SUPREME for me.



This won't work if the culprit isn't sand but super fine carbon water mixture. I have seen this happen with 100% carbon masts from different brands. Easy to avoid. Just wrap a short piece of electric tape around the mast join. Bunnings has packs of 12 for $12.90. This will last you for years:
www.bunnings.com.au/click-assorted-pvc-insulation-tape-12-pack_p4430559


Yeah, but some of us don't want to give in to the tape, cos we like livin on the edge. Next, we will be reading instructions and wearing booties .
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
3580 posts
WA, 3580 posts
22 Nov 2022 3:25pm
Imax1 said..


Yeah, but some of us don't want to give in to the tape, cos we like livin on the edge. Next, we will be reading instructions and wearing booties .


you forgot to mention helmet and sunnies
Imax1
Imax1
QLD
4950 posts
QLD, 4950 posts
22 Nov 2022 7:20pm
stehsegler said..

Imax1 said..


Yeah, but some of us don't want to give in to the tape, cos we like livin on the edge. Next, we will be reading instructions and wearing booties .



you forgot to mention helmet and sunnies


I do wear a helmet and I should wear sunnies . Squinting into the glare is a skill I developed while learning to weld without a visor
WillyWind
WillyWind
594 posts
594 posts
23 Nov 2022 4:38am
Only wusses wear booties!




WillyWind
WillyWind
594 posts
594 posts
23 Nov 2022 4:39am
I forgot to mention that I wear a helmet and impact vest
Manuel7
Manuel7
1351 posts
1351 posts
23 Nov 2022 10:22am
Best to do it at home, indoors, not hurt anyone or anything, little force involved, works always:

Ben1973
Ben1973
1008 posts
1008 posts
23 Nov 2022 11:03am
What about if you have the opposite problem? The mast joint is a bit loose, maybe just paint some expoxy on it to build it up? So it's a snug fit again
GasHazard
GasHazard
QLD
385 posts
QLD, 385 posts
23 Nov 2022 1:50pm
stehsegler said..


Pcdefender said..
Easiest solution is to get THREE people either side and TWIST hard.

Works every time period.




Nope... doesn't aways work. I once had a Neil Pryde mast with super fine sand stuck. Tried with 4 people on either size, multiple booms, the wobble technique... didn't come apart. Drove home with the mast taped to the side of the car.

Ended up using an old extension and tapping it with a rubber mallet. Mast came apart in about 5 minutes.



That's a newy. I take it you put an extension in, tapped the extension and the top separated, like a Newton's cradle.
I've always pulled them apart with the car + sturdy tree + roof rack tape.
Henners
Henners
449 posts
449 posts
23 Nov 2022 9:08pm
Manuel7 said..
Best to do it at home, indoors, not hurt anyone or anything, little force involved, works always:



Just to add to tip number 5. I put the boom on one piece of the mast and then wrap a towel around the 2nd piece. I wring the towel as tight as possible creating a very tight lever and then try to turn the mast using the towel.
Great video Manuel loved seeing the kids help out.
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
3580 posts
WA, 3580 posts
23 Nov 2022 10:33pm
GasHazard said..

That's a newy. I take it you put an extension in, tapped the extension and the top separated, like a Newton's cradle.
I've always pulled them apart with the car + sturdy tree + roof rack tape.


That's basically it.
olskool
olskool
QLD
2463 posts
QLD, 2463 posts
24 Nov 2022 6:37am
Imax1 said..

stehsegler said..


olskool said..
Give it a REAL SOLID VIOLENT shake/ whip around. Spin 90' then shake again. Repeat.
This crushes the sand in join. Mast section will wiggle out.
Happy days.
Have tried all other methods, but this reigns SUPREME for me.




This won't work if the culprit isn't sand but super fine carbon water mixture. I have seen this happen with 100% carbon masts from different brands. Easy to avoid. Just wrap a short piece of electric tape around the mast join. Bunnings has packs of 12 for $12.90. This will last you for years:
www.bunnings.com.au/click-assorted-pvc-insulation-tape-12-pack_p4430559



Yeah, but some of us don't want to give in to the tape, cos we like livin on the edge. Next, we will be reading instructions and wearing booties .


HELL YEAH CUZ !
Im a Sparky, electrical tape everywhere.
But NEVER on my mast ferrule.
Lifes a Challenge,
If youre not Livin on the Edge youre takin up Too much Space !
Imax1
Imax1
QLD
4950 posts
QLD, 4950 posts
24 Nov 2022 7:33am
olskool said..

Imax1 said..


stehsegler said..



olskool said..
Give it a REAL SOLID VIOLENT shake/ whip around. Spin 90' then shake again. Repeat.
This crushes the sand in join. Mast section will wiggle out.
Happy days.
Have tried all other methods, but this reigns SUPREME for me.





This won't work if the culprit isn't sand but super fine carbon water mixture. I have seen this happen with 100% carbon masts from different brands. Easy to avoid. Just wrap a short piece of electric tape around the mast join. Bunnings has packs of 12 for $12.90. This will last you for years:
www.bunnings.com.au/click-assorted-pvc-insulation-tape-12-pack_p4430559




Yeah, but some of us don't want to give in to the tape, cos we like livin on the edge. Next, we will be reading instructions and wearing booties .



HELL YEAH CUZ !
Im a Sparky, electrical tape everywhere.
But NEVER on my mast ferrule.
Lifes a Challenge,
If youre not Livin on the Edge youre takin up Too much Space !


Tape will change the mast curve , not to mention the extra weight .
JCBoston
JCBoston
55 posts
55 posts
24 Nov 2022 6:49am
This works pretty well as a preventative measure. I had to try a few sizes to get the right diameter tube. I think a 44 mm (1.75") MTB tube fits an RDM mast.
Manuel7
Manuel7
1351 posts
1351 posts
24 Nov 2022 9:11am
Rental centers also tape extensions but it's a bit of a lost cause....

Main preventive measures, watch for sand:
1. ....inside the mast itself (dried out and stuck)
2. ...in the sail mast sleeve (present before rigging)
3. ...near the sail tip area
4. ...in the mast halves near junction when assembling
5. ...inside the mast bottom before assembling extension


It's also best to have a little bit of play around both the extension and the mast junction.
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