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13 Jun 2006 5:39pm
I know I've posted about dacron sails a few times before, but I think we are missing out on a great product here in east oz.

If you are interested in a read about the superfreak have a read and check out the pix etc.

http://www.hotsailsmaui.net/forum/viewforum.php?id=3

I've only seen 1 in the flesh and would have liked to have tried it. Might be the return of the good old eighties! Durable, long lasting, light weight, & FUN!
KAOS69
KAOS69
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14 Jun 2006 6:30am
i have 2 of these sails 5m and 5.5 they are sweetif they weren't a wave sails they would be the best freestyle sail you would ever use . its the batteren length that makes all the difference .This makes the sail rotate very smooth when attempting spocks, willyskippers etc . i have abused these sails for 3 seasons and still they are like new, so i'll have them for a few more yet . on the other side they are very much a wave sail and have alot of bottom end grunt and need to be rigged quite flat . they may feel a bit heavier but no more than any other strong wave gear .
so if and when you come to the west for that hoilday i can get you some sails and goya gear to use and join me and freinds for a few weeks of cruising the west coast up tp gnarloo for some serious wind and waves . september would be a good time for your hoildays hopfully we will have wind by then cause it suxs at the monent
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14 Jun 2006 4:29pm
Why did you bring your NP's instead of your Superfreaks last time u came back Mike? Would have been fun to see-em in action
Bertie
Bertie
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14 Jun 2006 5:27pm
i used to bag the crap out of these sails untill i had ago on one. not to bad at all. didnt get a propper big wave session on it but it felt like it would be good on a wave.
I think its rather important that you know how to rig them up but alberto would be best to speak to about that.
shmage
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14 Jun 2006 5:46pm
Iv had a few shots on a 5.0 in half mast logo down the line stuff. Firstly they are different. They are very on/off, which when u figure out how to use it to your advantage its wicked. You can power up fast to make a section then flog the power off when you dont need it anymore. They are soft but you can set them really deep if you like the power. They also have a huge top end so the power is very managable, i was using the 5.0 when i could have been on a 4.5, and im 70kgs.
Something which you dont think about it the fact they are very quite, so its kinda weird at first coz there isn't much noise.

Yer Bertie you did bag the crap out of them lol
mineral1
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14 Jun 2006 6:12pm
Shmag, maaaate, I still cant understand what the hell your describing as only new at this sport, pissing myself laughing, understanding what your trying to get across.
Iv had a few shots on a 5.0 in half mast logo down the line stuff I presume you had a 5 up but whats the rest mean?
They are very on/off, (you gotta a switch on it,or what)
Buggered if I know what your talking about here? are you saying that there isnt any in between, either they are going flat chat, or not at all?
I am OK (I think) down to the last bit
Something which you dont think about it the fact they are very quite, so its kinda weird at first coz there isn't much noise.
I gotta say "noise" what bloody noise, its a sail they dont make any, do they?
Now before you say to yourself, whos this dickhead, just think back to the time you sort of started in this sport, have another read and I think you may crack up as well.
Its a bit like a Kiwi asking me one day, what’s a "chuckawobbly" and "chuckalap" made perfect sense to me at the time. Chuckawobbly, somebody spat the dummie, and Chuckalap, somebody test run a machine to see how it went. Poor old Kiwi didn’t have a clue what the Aussies where talking about.
And yep, no bloody wind around so might as well read all this stuff, A.
Davo87
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14 Jun 2006 8:01pm
Schmage as usual is probably too busy studying chemistry to reply, so i'll help you decipher some of it.

It's all about waveriding!

The half mast/logo stuff refers to the size of the wave face in comparison to the sail. So if the height of the mast is about 4 metres, half mast would be about 2 metres. Logo high basically means 3/4 of the way up the mast.

Down the line is a way in which you ride the wave. It's like surfing, where you have frontside (chest faces the wave) and backside (where your back faces the wave). Down the line is frontside riding and is a lot faster than backside riding but better wind directions are needed.

When you a riding a wave you need the sail to be powerful when doing your bottom turn so that you can get back up the wave and then once you get to the top of the wave again you want to lose some of the sail power. This makes it easier to do your cutback (top turn). This is what the on/off power refers to.

Hope this clears some of it up
shmage
shmage
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14 Jun 2006 8:28pm
Thanks davo, and no i wasn't studying, i was watching tv you d&ckhead
KAOS69
KAOS69
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15 Jun 2006 9:37am
no,no no ,
HALF MAST means that you have about half an hour more sleep before you have to get up and go to the dunnie
DOWN THE LINE means " ackie breakie heart " is just about to start so better get those cowboy boots on cause its boot scooten time 1 and 2 and 3 yeh har
NO NOISE SAIL it just means that the waves you are riding are not big enough to make you scream

iam so bored i think iam going to watch the tap drip
jsn_batman
jsn_batman
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15 Jun 2006 11:40am
the superfreaks are excactly that, they are super light, strong and freakishly great fun only problem is that deform quite abit when doing flakas or full speed 360's.

super cool sails get one, or two, or three, or ...
Alberto
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16 Jun 2006 12:34pm
You will not believe how much R&D is behind the Superfreak project, the sail is getting better every year. Last year model was already setting better then a monofilm sail.
I can not wait to try the 2007! Durability is amazing; you can take of the battens, fold it and put in your suitcase. The color possibility are amazing, free of charge except for personalize logos ( around 90 $ more) which they work very well for schools, sponsors and windsurfing centre. The orders for custom models are closing mid of July. Go on http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/2006/superfreak.php , click on the Coloring System and make up your personal SuperFreak. Put us in CC on the email and don't forget to mention the size.
Riding a Superfreak is really thinking out of the box.
So.what combination are we going to have this year?.... I was thinking Brazilian Flag.
Posted below the Aussie one
Ciao !
Alberto

www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=1986
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16 Jun 2006 5:24pm
Alberto, can we come to some sort of John Laws type cash for comments kickback arrangement?
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
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23 Jun 2006 6:22am
KAOS you can windsurf with PRIDE.

GO AUSSIES
CJW
CJW
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23 Jun 2006 11:07pm
I wonder about these sails too. I used to have a 'modern' Aerotech dacron sail and it wasn't too bad, until you got it wet, then it doubled in weight and it's sailing properties went out the window. Is the Dacron treated in some way to repel water?

The other thing is, Dacron stretches over time. When I used to sail dinghy's and cats I'd always un tension the battens etc to avoid this and after a season or two of sailing the sails were 'blown out'. Maybe Dacon technology has evolved. That said the loads in those sails, particularly the cat's, were huge.

So until I've sailed one and seen a 5 year old one that ha seen a lot of use, I'll remain somewhat of a skeptic :P
KAOS69
KAOS69
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24 Jun 2006 5:32pm
dacron areotech . what a classie unit , 1990 what a year for high performance wave sails . you should see sails these days they even have batterens. i"ll remain a sceptic ,that areotech will ever make a good sail
Alberto
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27 Jun 2006 9:54am
Hi CJW
To know more about Superfreak I'll suggest you to browse a bit more the Hot Sail Maui following forum
http://www.hotsailsmaui.net/forum/viewforum.php?id=3
best tool to find testimonials regarding performance, construction and durability.

Regarding your thought:

"you got it wet, then it doubled in weight and it's sailing properties went out the window."--

Not the case with the Freak...this sail is one of our lightest sails on and off the water.

"Is the Dacron treated in some way to repel water?...Maybe Dacon technology has evolved. That said the loads in those sails, particularly the cat's, were huge."

In the old days designers used to laminate the Dacron to reduce stretching...problem was that this lamination always pealed off rendering the sail into a pile of ****, that is not the case with the Freak...Hot Sails Maui use the Kevlar to control stretch...the SuperFreak does change in characteristics from brand new to 5 years old...but then so do "ALL" sails. There is not a sail on the market that does not change (stretch) from first use...Team sailors from all brand names claim that it takes about 5 sessions to loose the "NEW" crispness of their Monofilm/XPLY sail. So the SuperFreak is the same...it does change "slightly" within the first 5 to 10 sessions. But the long-term performance and durability will outlast any conventional wave/freeride sail, period. Focus on the attention to detail HSM designers has paid to the usage of the Kevlar rope throughout the entire sail membrane...and then look at the new SuperFreak sails to see how they have interwoven separate Dacron panels to provide a super clean foil shape that will endure for years... I have been using a quiver of 2 SuperFreak sails ( 5.0 and 5.5) for more than a two season now...they are still as good as new.

Sails are always available for test drive.and its windy today
Ciao
Alberto
waveslave
waveslave
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18 Jul 2006 3:32pm
Windsurfing became invisible when mono became the industry standard.
Film was a cheap solution to the problem of stretch.
It was a clear answer for the lack of transparency in sail construction.
Dacron can be engineered to be relatively stretch-resistant but it costs.
You do the maths.
Disclaimer:
I built dacron windsurf wings for 20 years and I have no regrets, no complaints.
Then Kites happened.
I don't like kitesurfing, I love it, mun.

regards waveslave
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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19 Jul 2006 1:14am
Can anyone comment on the transition from modern mono sails to a Superfreak ...... when riding down the line BIG waves?

I think they have potential and have always been interested in trying one to see how they go. What I wonder though, is when you are used to looking up (through the top third of your sail) at the lip whilst bottom turning, how does a Dacron sail restrict your vision? Do you get used to it or modify your bottom turn (to lay the sail down more?) or is it no issue? I can't see that you could rip up Gnaraloo in mast hi, then go to a Superfreak 10 min later and do the same, it would take a few sessions to get used to the reduced visibility surely?

waveslave
waveslave
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20 Jul 2006 7:58am
Mark,
Unarguably, high visibility was a clear breakthrough when film replaced cloth.
Instead of riding waves 'blind', the sailor instantly gained 20/20 vision.

The quality of wavesailing improved.
There was less need for intuitive-type riding and lots more throwing-down of well timed moves,
due to good eyeballing.

But lets not forget that dacron sails do have a window.
And if the design is clever, with the window correctly shaped and positioned properly in the body,
then there shouldn't be a problem with sight.

However, if it's perfect 360 degree visibility that you are chasing when ripping-up windy Gnaraloo,
then a kite presents no obstacle in your quest for that million dollar ocean view.
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