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OceanBlue64
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8 Mar 2008 4:23pm
Well I am writing this cos I am a little annoyed. A few weeks ago I ordered a new Severne NCX through a local business.
Normally I would have shopped around a little and maybe gotten a better price etc but because the local dealer said he wants to get more windsurf equipment in stock but to do so requires a little support from local windsurfers, I thought getting it through him was a good idea.
Now I placed the order a few weeks ago, I said I didnt need it for a week or so.
I rang him the week before I wanted to pick it up, he assured me it would be in that next week.
On the wednesday - still not in. Would be in late Friday so I can pick it up this morning.
Went in this morning and paid balance in full, and was told it would be in a little later. I rang around 11... it wasnt picked up in Melbourne so it will be Tuesday before transport for it can be arranged, so it looks like at least Wed or Thur before I can pick it up.
It was only coming from WA! I have had packages coming from overseas that arrived quicker.
Now I am not annoyed at having to wait longer (well maybe a little) but its more that promises were made but not kept.
I am now not sure that I will order any new bigger items (sails, boards, masts etc) locally. At least if I order them online (from one of the Seabreeze sponsors) I can count on a more accurate delivery date. Either that or drive to Melbourne.

Anyway thats my little rant over with. Now I can get back to watching the weather forecast and looking for little green arrows
Mr K
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8 Mar 2008 5:58pm
OB64, I think I know the shop you are talking about, I would order online if I was you, also some shops will freight stuff anywhere in Oz for free so you don't even have to drive to Melbourne.
ejmack
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8 Mar 2008 8:05pm
Sorry to hear your sail has been delayed OB64. I have ordered 3 sails now from WA and each arrived within a week to my front door. I live 45 min from my closest local shop so for me this works great.

Mobydisc
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8 Mar 2008 9:25pm
I know it sucks when people promise and fail to deliver. The problem is it natural for people to tell you what you want to hear.

Personally, having formally owning a small business, I understand the importance of giving good service and in return knowing the importance of positive cashflow.

If I ever buy new gear I will buy it from the local shop. Even if I pay more for it I do not mind because I think its fair to support the local bloke. Good luck getting the new sail. I saw a Severne sail and they are really nice looking. I am sure you will be happy with your purchase.
OceanBlue64
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8 Mar 2008 9:39pm
Mobydisc said...


If I ever buy new gear I will buy it from the local shop. Even if I pay more for it I do not mind because I think its fair to support the local bloke. Good luck getting the new sail. I saw a Severne sail and they are really nice looking. I am sure you will be happy with your purchase.



I would prefer to buy and support local business but when I cant trust what they say (especially when I have already paid upfront) .. well I am a bit hesitant to go down that path again.

And I am really looking forward to getting the sail. The reviews all seem to be pretty good. I should also get my new Lessacher weed fin this week. I just hope the wind is up next weekend
firiebob
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8 Mar 2008 8:01pm
OB64, maybe the shop is getting the B/S run around from the supplier

I don't have a local shop any more, but when I did, I bought every single piece of gear from him. Service was spot on and he was a big help with warranty etc. Nearly every one else got gear from else where, but expected him to have a $30 uni joint in stock to get them out of the poo when the wind was blowing

Support your local shop, but if the problem is with him, flick him
Ben Severne
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9 Mar 2008 1:30am
Well, thanks for supporting my business. Hope you enjoy the sail. What size are you getting?
TonyC
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9 Mar 2008 2:16am
Hi Ben, please excuse my ignorance but I thought Severne sails were owned by Starboard. Did you sell the brand to them, or is it like JP etc, or am I totally wrong and you own and run it? Sorry don't mean to stir the pot (so to speak) - just interested as to how the branding works.
OceanBlue64
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9 Mar 2008 10:04am
Ben Severne said...

Well, thanks for supporting my business. Hope you enjoy the sail. What size are you getting?


I am getting a 6.5 NCX
evlPanda
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9 Mar 2008 11:49am
It could be the transport company. Actually that is most likely the problem. I doubt the shop ordered it and then requested they deliver it late. I've found stuff from WA is always a little late.

Problem with ordering it delivered to your house is that Monday-Friday there's nobody home. Plus you don't get to go to the shop with all its lovely new gear smell.

...mmm, new gear smell. The slightest whiff of surfboard wax and I'm in Hawaii.
patsken
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9 Mar 2008 9:59am
I think I'm spoilt .....

I support all 4 of my local shops at different times depending on what I want !!!!
WINDY MILLER
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9 Mar 2008 10:05am

Wait Awhile

famous for it.


8 of us out for lunch in hillaries yesterday. 1h 05 mins in time between the first and last dish being brought out, with NO apology from the waiting staff.

Service you just cant get in Victoria


P.C_simpson
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9 Mar 2008 10:18am
Hi Mate, i think you should not be too quick to ditch local stores, i work for a windsurf store on the east coast, i know what you are going through, any thing we order from the W.A that cant fit into one of those express post bags takes no less than a week to get over this side of the country, yes i have also gotten stuff quicker from over sea's, i have had boards take almost 2 weeks to arrive. it's definately the freight company's, there is no company that does it any quicker, i have tried. The problem is your sail had to go threw prob 3 or more depots before it got to the store, and they do it air freight, could not imagine how long something would take by land. anything we order from east coast suppliers takes no more than 3 days tops. if they have it.

Not sure if it was the store being slack and not order your sail straight away,but next time you do have to order something, get them to order it when your still in the store, i do this just so the customer has peace of mind, and also if it wont be available for a while they know straight away.

I know our store would bend over backwards to help a customer get the correct gear as soon as possible, any other store would be crazy not too.
Ben Severne
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9 Mar 2008 10:50am
Ahh, TonyC - I own and run SEVERNE Sails with a partner. Haven't sold out.
Stewie
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9 Mar 2008 1:15pm
Hey OceanBlue64, heard it all before. I know the shop you mean. Had a mate a couple of years ago deal with the same guy. He got sooooo frustrated. The shop owner gave him the run around for about 1 month. That shop was once a better windsurf shop, but now owned by a yachtie, always told my mate it would be in "By the weekend" just to make the sale, but then two weeks later "oops, sorry, still in WA". Shop up here in Melbourne or online.
TonyC
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9 Mar 2008 2:26pm
Ben Severne said...

Ahh, TonyC - I own and run SEVERNE Sails with a partner. Haven't sold out.


Sorry Ben, I regularly check the starboard site for tuning tips etc and there are a number of threads that refer to Severne sails as being a part of Starboard.
nobody
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10 Mar 2008 1:09am
TonyC said...

Ben Severne said...

Ahh, TonyC - I own and run SEVERNE Sails with a partner. Haven't sold out.


Sorry Ben, I regularly check the starboard site for tuning tips etc and there are a number of threads that refer to Severne sails as being a part of Starboard.


Yes, but he didn't say who the partner was...
Sailhack
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10 Mar 2008 12:51pm
OB64,
Been in that shop, the guy was keen for a sale until I mentioned w/surfing, then lost interest fast.....I think he thought I was a yachtie!! (must've been the Bali Rolex I was wearing)

Stonkers are trying to get more business, not sure what sail brands they sell, but they're w/surfers & k/surfers....experience counts for alot! In saying that, the NCX is a great sail! You won't be dissapointed.
JayBee
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10 Mar 2008 1:28pm
Yes, support your local shop whenever you can. Why would anyone think that ordering online is any fatsre then ordering from the shop.

Any online order goes to a database (or email address) of a shop somewhere, where it then is subject to the same people issues you (might) have when you deal with a shop. I have had plenty of issues buying stuff online (not windsurfing though) and none buying from my local windsurfing shop here. I understand that the shop may not have what I want in stock, and if so that there will be a delay in getting what I want. That is the nature of a low volume niche business. If more people bought from the shop they may be inclined to carry greater stock, resulting in better service times.

Shops rock, I always get a good greeting, and have had plenty of good service for free (deliveries, batten fixing, demos and lots of advice). It would be much more hassle if there were no shop locally.

PS - I have no deal or contra with any windsurfing shop, I just prefer to have the service available then save a few dollars in a false economy.

JB
OceanBlue64
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10 Mar 2008 2:00pm
Sailhack said...



Stonkers are trying to get more business, not sure what sail brands they sell, but they're w/surfers & k/surfers....experience counts for alot!


Where are Stonkers? Down near Rip Curl etc?

JayBee said...



PS - I have no deal or contra with any windsurfing shop, I just prefer to have the service available then save a few dollars in a false economy.


I am not looking to save a few dollars. All I want is someone who will deliver what they say and when they say. I have never had an issue with buying stuff online (yet) as I will generally only buy from reputable online suppliers and surprisingly online purchasing has been as fast (or in this case) faster than buying through a shop. Its also a case of convenience. If I am working all day, its easier to browse through stuff online at my leisure rather than having to try to rush off to a shop during business hours.
Sailhack
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10 Mar 2008 2:59pm
OceanBlue64 said...

Sailhack said...



Stonkers are trying to get more business, not sure what sail brands they sell, but they're w/surfers & k/surfers....experience counts for alot!


Where are Stonkers? Down near Rip Curl etc?


Near cnr Baines Cres (heading in to Torquay, on right), behind shopping complex (I think Rip-Curl?!?) Went there looking for footstraps a while ago, the guy sold me kite-straps, said to try them out....they're great! They don't stock much gear, but seem keen to, if the demand calls for it. Unfortunately (for w/surfers) the kite scene is bigger there. Otherwise, the 2 Melb shops are pretty good. (Nearly local for you!) Freight from Melb to Geelong shouldn't be an issue.

P.C_simpson
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10 Mar 2008 1:34pm
JayBee said...


Shops rock, I always get a good greeting, and have had plenty of good service for free (deliveries, batten fixing, demos and lots of advice). It would be much more hassle if there were no shop locally.


yes so true JB, and the guys at your local store live and breath windsurfing, and are on the water when ever it's windy, so they should be very up to date with everything, and know exactly what works best in you area.. i know of one person selling cheap gear on ebay, apparenty don't even sail. but this was off the grape vine.
nobody
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10 Mar 2008 5:57pm
P.C_simpson said...

JayBee said...


Shops rock, I always get a good greeting, and have had plenty of good service for free (deliveries, batten fixing, demos and lots of advice). It would be much more hassle if there were no shop locally.


yes so true JB, and the guys at your local store live and breath windsurfing, and are on the water when ever it's windy, so they should be very up to date with everything, and know exactly what works best in you area.. i know of one person selling cheap gear on ebay, apparenty don't even sail. but this was off the grape vine.

I know a guy who sells stuff on eBay who I've seen out sailing when I've been out. He has helped me in the past when he didn't have to.
I'd like to deal with the one Sydney shop and have done so, but it is near an hour drive one way.

Koosie
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10 Mar 2008 4:42pm
Mr Nobody
You could always contact your local store by phone rather than drive 2 hours there and back ?
I do the same thing and I find service is good and they can also arrange for shipping even just across town !

many people are forgetting about the phone and always go straight to electronic means.
Most businesses still have phones... at least here in South Efrica any way
NSW, 1613 posts
10 Mar 2008 9:01pm
Even some local stores have e-mail these days.
Mobydisc
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10 Mar 2008 11:12pm
nobody said...

I know a guy who sells stuff on eBay who I've seen out sailing when I've been out. He has helped me in the past when he didn't have to.
I'd like to deal with the one Sydney shop and have done so, but it is near an hour drive one way.


Whats an hour drive in Sydney? Wind Surf and Snow is at Long Reef. An hour drive from there could be Manly or Mona Vale on a bad day. Stupid government is too busy setting up deals and sex for those in the know, to give a **** about boring stuff like the peons trying to get around the city.




jimbob SA
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11 Mar 2008 6:06pm
back to supporting your local shops i was at that shop stonkers in torquay on the weekend and picked up a second hand wave fin (power box) that i've been looking on ebay for ages, the guy there was very helpfull and seem keen on sailing had a bit of gear he sells for people on consignment, easier than waiting on ebay.
OceanBlue64
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11 Mar 2008 8:11pm
jimbob SA said...

back to supporting your local shops i was at that shop stonkers in torquay on the weekend and picked up a second hand wave fin (power box) that i've been looking on ebay for ages, the guy there was very helpfull and seem keen on sailing had a bit of gear he sells for people on consignment, easier than waiting on ebay.


Yeah I am going to go have a look on the weekend I hope.

My sail still hasnt arrived and when I rang him at lunchtime today he still hadn't organised getting it down from Melbourne. To say I am a little annoyed is an understatement! Surely ringing a courier cant be that hard
Sailhack
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11 Mar 2008 11:33pm
OceanBlue64 said...
Yeah I am going to go have a look on the weekend I hope.


I'll be heading there Thursday........just broke another mast today.....that's 2 in 6 months! I won't be buying 2nd hand masts again

(Chef's gonna have fun with this!)

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