The Will To Keep Motivated.

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Mrgob
Mrgob
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31 Mar 2010 12:20am
You have to wonder what keeps long term windsurfers motivated?

The average windsurfing population is ageing, and numbers are declining, so what satisfaction are we now getting from it? Has it just become a habit because we can't think what else to do? (Everyone's got to be somewhere!)

Looking around our local beach the other day and comparing it to how it used to be 15 years ago, was depressing. Then, swarms of windsurfers all full of enthusiasm couldn't wait to get onto the water. (Into the car park, into wet suit, rigged and out before the exhaust had cooled and stopped ticking.) Furthermore, they stayed in for two or three hours whatever the wind was like.

Last week, on a good day, only a handful of regulars were out. The rush to get out had gone, replaced by an hours talking in the vans before even startingt to rig.When they did hit the water it was for a twenty minute blast followed by another car park talking session.

I don't know what others do to keep motivated, but I find that variation is a key element. I've always kept my older boards and currently have eight to choose from, and some older ones in reserve. So there is blasting, surfing, longboard cruising and kayaking if I need a change.

I don't imagine ever stopping windsurfing, but sometimes it is difficult to overcome that feeling of having done it all before, so why bother? How do others keep the juices flowing?



pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
2005 posts
NSW, 2005 posts
31 Mar 2010 4:00am
I do it for the physical activity, plus the thrill of freestyling. I find freestyling (short and long boards) keeps me real fit.

When I get to the beach, I rig as quick as I can and run like crazy to the water. I still do after 25 years on... Everyone finds me weird. I don't wear wetsuits cause they take too much time to put on. And I get real angry when I misrig, because of the wind time wasted to fix it.

You're right, lot of w*nking nowadays: comparing gear forever, derigging the rig that just re-de-unrigged because the wind picked up by half a knot. Discussing forever of equipment, wind never good enough, etc. I don't think they have such a good time.

It's a Tupperware party - good on them, doesn't get in my way.

Here's the opposite: I was at a freestyle comp 2 years ago. The wind picked up to a nice consistent 20-22 knots. The guys were so into sailing that they went on for hours overpowered, rather than come back and waste sailing time.

Crazy, and I nearly died in the process, but that's windsurfing !!
Mrgob
Mrgob
116 posts
116 posts
31 Mar 2010 1:43am
Great Pierrec 45!! You,ve cheered me up no end. Thanks.

It's the talking sneering moaning clique who've taken over our local beach. Like you, I'm the odd one out. The steady drip drip drip of negativity was getting me down, but I see I'm not alone. Cheers.

pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
2005 posts
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31 Mar 2010 5:11am
I'm not the odd one out at my joint, fortunately.

There are several die hards enthusiasts here, new young freestylers, and guys with really old boards that have a good time all day.

Yes there is a clique, but they're more like those kiters with the spotted shorts than windsurfers. They don't go out much anyways - too much time changing fins.

I also teach newbies at a club here, brings really nice people too - new blood.
drift
drift
VIC
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31 Mar 2010 8:53am
Mrgob said...

Great Pierrec 45!! You,ve cheered me up no end. Thanks.

It's the talking sneering moaning clique who've taken over our local beach. Like you, I'm the odd one out. The steady drip drip drip of negativity was getting me down, but I see I'm not alone. Cheers.




Hey Mr Gob,
Its not all bad...we set up a club last year to bring a bit of fun and enjoyment back into our local- Inverloch in Victoria. Our aim was simple: to encourage everyone to get the arses on the water!. Our numbers have swelled to nearly 50, and the numbers of more mature newbies seem to indicate that there may be a bit of a resurgence of a few older "crustys" getting back into it.

For me, it goes beyond just being on the water. ITs a passion, an obsession built around trying to get as much time going fast and on the plane as possible.
Beyond that, it is hooking up with guys an gals who are equally as passionate and insane as I am.
ducatist
ducatist
WA
16 posts
WA, 16 posts
31 Mar 2010 7:13am
It is the actual sailing time, the freedom and the enjoyment of being with the elements and getting speed, movement out of it!
Still use my old gear and do not care if it/I look odd, old or whatever!
Recycling should be Cool??
The marketers and sales pitches trying to sell the latest (peer preasure) and the small/fast if you can sail the buggers Boards, have discoraged the average potential customer from buying a windsurf "floater" and having a cruize.
Back to basics will be the way for expansion like, Longboard/SUP's with windsurf ability.
It has to be relatively easy to use and learn for Windsurfing/SUP ing to have a broad apeal
Just my oppinion!

hardie
hardie
WA
4133 posts
WA, 4133 posts
31 Mar 2010 7:42am
Moving to western australia and sailing in fantastic conditions regularly
laff77
laff77
NSW
273 posts
NSW, 273 posts
31 Mar 2010 11:20am
I think a bit of variation and mixing it up helps me. Last summer all I did was GPS sail and towards the end of the season I was beginning to tire of it, it felt more like a chore to get out and get in some numbers than just enjoy blasting about.

This summer I bought a SUP and was superstoked to be getting out in small surf on light wind days. The board is so basic with no footstraps, but to be sailing on such different kit in light wind was unreal, I couldn't wipe the smile off my face. Then last weekend went out in a good seabreeze on the fast kit and was superstoked to be flying along again. I even chucked my race sail on the SUP for a bit of a laugh to see how it would go.

So for me, I find the motivation by getting out in all sorts of different conditions and not taking things to seriously.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8349 posts
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31 Mar 2010 11:37am
Laff 77 said
So for me, I find the motivation by getting out in all sorts of different conditions and not taking things to seriously.

Thats what I need to do. I was crook for 4 years & didnt think Id ever sail again. I was SO glad to sail when I first got back but now I think I'm trying to recapture my youth & all I do is concentrate on how I can't do this or that. .cripes just get out & enjoy falling off!
I suppose I'm motivated by trying to get back my gybing & jumping skills but need to back off a bit & realise Im 15 years older!

divaldo
divaldo
SA
2879 posts
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31 Mar 2010 12:19pm
Maybe its because its so cold where you are, sitting around in vans and chattin sounds like a good idea!

IMO, windsurfing is back in vogue, more people doing it more often, 20 people out on a good day all with big smiles is not uncommon, lots of hooting and carrying on, there has never been a better time to be a windsurfer? :)
Al Planet
Al Planet
TAS
1548 posts
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31 Mar 2010 1:28pm
Just being on the water is enough motivation for me......going to work ...now that requires motivation.

I do get a buzz from inviting friends and relatives to the beach who sailed "back in the day" and loaning them modern gear. To see them look so excited and re motivated is a buzz. Teaching their kids to sail is also a real buzz. Watching the anxiety in the eyes of their partners as they spend the whole day on the water and not on the beach is pretty funny too. ( the last bit is not true)
pweedas
pweedas
WA
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WA, 4642 posts
31 Mar 2010 11:28am
I plead guilty, your honour!

In spite of what's been posted here, I think the social interaction is what's holding it together in most places now.
This has long been recognised as an important factor in almost all other sports.
I guess the closest one to windsurfing would be sailing clubs and they seem to have a very big component of the social interaction side with their clubs gatherings and social bashes. It's these things that hold a group together for the long term because it allows other peoples enthusiasm to fire up your own.
It's really hard to keep a fire burning with just one stick. Once the outer soft wood is burnt the fire goes out.
Two sticks is better.
A bundle of sticks will make a blaze.

Windsurfers don't usually form clubs but the local gathering gabfest is a rough equivalent.
I don't see anything wrong with that. In fact I see it as a positive element.

Pointman
Pointman
WA
437 posts
WA, 437 posts
31 Mar 2010 1:26pm
www.gpsteamchallenge.com.au/

Since I joined GPSTC my motivation to sail has never been stronger. And I've been on an incredibly steep learning curve because there are so many facets to the comp...outright speed, endurance, gybing ability, ability not to fall off etc.

GPSTC emphasises the team aspect of sailing, which wasn't really there before.

And fantastic conditions on offer in WA certainly helps
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8349 posts
NSW, 8349 posts
31 Mar 2010 4:46pm
pweedas said...

I plead guilty, your honour!

In spite of what's been posted here, I think the social interaction is what's holding it together in most places now.
This has long been recognised as an important factor in almost all other sports.
I guess the closest one to windsurfing would be sailing clubs and they seem to have a very big component of the social interaction side with their clubs gatherings and social bashes. It's these things that hold a group together for the long term because it allows other peoples enthusiasm to fire up your own.
It's really hard to keep a fire burning with just one stick. Once the outer soft wood is burnt the fire goes out.
Two sticks is better.
A bundle of sticks will make a blaze.

Windsurfers don't usually form clubs but the local gathering gabfest is a rough equivalent.
I don't see anything wrong with that. In fact I see it as a positive element.



Must admit one of the things I missed most when I wasn't able to sail , was the hanging around discussing the day with other enthusiasts before & after the sail.

Flipper11
Flipper11
VIC
356 posts
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31 Mar 2010 5:10pm
Mrgob said...

You have to wonder what keeps long term windsurfers motivated?

The average windsurfing population is ageing, and numbers are declining, so what satisfaction are we now getting from it? Has it just become a habit because we can't think what else to do? (Everyone's got to be somewhere!)



flipp11 said:

Move to melbourne my friend, our sport is just taking off, and is never going to look back. We are starting to scare the kiters even, with the amount of windsurfers I see out now.

We now have a new Victoria wave series comp that runs all year.

We have new clubs starting up all aorund the bay like the:
Inverloch windsurf club
Mt martha windsurf club
Elwood club
Pit crew ect..

we have the new local GTSPC speed sailing web site and is like a club as well..

We have had some new windsurf shops that have opened up in victoria..

the list goes on mate....

Alot of the times I am at the beach too, I have people come up to me now and ask me how they can get into windsurfing...

any weekend it's windy, say at Point danger, Dawson st, Rye, Ricketts, you will see easy 30+ guys out now.

Come for a hoilday and check out Point Danger on a windy day, the sport is going nuts over that side of the bay...... I was talking to one of the locals there a while ago, and he was telling me there is a real revival of windsurfing happening over there.. They now have a new windsurf shop over near Point Danger too called Core Board Sports..
FlickySpinny
FlickySpinny
WA
657 posts
WA, 657 posts
31 Mar 2010 3:00pm
Freestyle - the never ending challenge of landing a never ending series of new tricks - and the stoke when you land something new.

I'll be sailing for another 30 years and will never have mastered this sport.
Leman
Leman
VIC
672 posts
VIC, 672 posts
31 Mar 2010 6:05pm
Since getting back into the sport about 4 years ago the only down side for me is that I now have trouble just enjoying being near the water without thinking "is that a breeze I can feel... oh please just a little more and I can head home and grab my gear.."
I also find myself constantly distracted at Uni or work if I can see trees bending outside and then distraction turns to frustration.

So motivation is not the problem, it's being able to focus on other things.

You can imagine what I was like when I did a campervan trip from Perth down past Margaret River the summer before last (with no intention of sailing). The wind was that good that I never found a decent place to swim because I would be wind plastered with sand the moment I got out.
Mrgob
Mrgob
116 posts
116 posts
31 Mar 2010 5:45pm
Yes, the social side is an element, but the tone is set by the dominant clique at any beach. If they are tribal (as ours has developed) and you don't want to join their gang, it spoils the vibe.

Thinking back, I know that a lot of our once locals have moved elsewhere because they didn't like the atmosphere.That, clearly is my solutionan also. There is a much more friendly place a bit further away, where the social side is better balanced with the need to sail.

Incidentally, we see the cold as normal because we know no differently. I don't think some of us could cope with hot non wet suit conditions. I'd keep falling off in surprise!
divaldo
divaldo
SA
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31 Mar 2010 8:25pm
Mrgob said...

Yes, the social side is an element, but the tone is set by the dominant clique at any beach. If they are tribal (as ours has developed) and you don't want to join their gang, it spoils the vibe.

Thinking back, I know that a lot of our once locals have moved elsewhere because they didn't like the atmosphere.That, clearly is my solutionan also. There is a much more friendly place a bit further away, where the social side is better balanced with the need to sail.

Incidentally, we see the cold as normal because we know no differently. I don't think some of us could cope with hot non wet suit conditions. I'd keep falling off in surprise!


So when are you moving to Australia Mrgob? No agro /angst amongst the windsurders here!

Where do you sail in the UK? Are you south? Brighton, Isle of wight, weymouth?

Windxtasy
Windxtasy
WA
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31 Mar 2010 6:05pm
Leman said...

You can imagine what I was like when I did a campervan trip from Perth down past Margaret River the summer before last (with no intention of sailing).


HOW CAN YOU GO FROM PERTH TO MARGARET RIVER IN SUMMER WITH NO INTENTION OF SAILING!!!!

NotWal
NotWal
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31 Mar 2010 8:35pm
Windxtasy said...

Leman said...

You can imagine what I was like when I did a campervan trip from Perth down past Margaret River the summer before last (with no intention of sailing).


HOW CAN YOU GO FROM PERTH TO MARGARET RIVER IN SUMMER WITH NO INTENTION OF SAILING!!!!




I agree. That qualifies as perverted self abuse.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15105 posts
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31 Mar 2010 6:38pm
Windxtasy said...


HOW CAN YOU GO FROM PERTH TO MARGARET RIVER IN SUMMER WITH NO INTENTION OF SAILING!!!!




I agree. It's what you would tell your wife or girlfriend while accidentally packing the sailing gear.

Maybe you got carried away and forgot?
decrepit
decrepit
WA
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31 Mar 2010 7:57pm
I'm with pointman here, my sailing time has probably doubled since becoming part of the GTC.
I'm lucky enough to live on the beach where a nice wave breaks every once in a while. Good wave sailing days where and still are fantastic, but there are plenty of days in summer when it's just dead flat. I was getting bored with that, and only bothered to go out when I started to twitch from saline withdrawal. Now I've bought a surf wagon so I can get my speed gear to the estuary, and try and help our team move up the ladder, any time the winds up.

And there are now a few UK teams, no excuse to not be in it.
Flipper11
Flipper11
VIC
356 posts
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31 Mar 2010 11:13pm
Mrgob said...

You have to wonder what keeps long term windsurfers motivated?


I don't imagine ever stopping windsurfing, but sometimes it is difficult to overcome that feeling of having done it all before, so why bother? How do others keep the juices flowing?






Dude you have to find a new spot to sail, we all get that feeling dont worry dude.
pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
2005 posts
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31 Mar 2010 11:43pm
I'm surprised your problem with the local clique got to be that bad.

Just ride around them, they're usually not the alpha males anyways. Plus they're always under-rigged - after all, that's why they carry so much equipment.
So, how can it be that bad?

We have the same here (and at a few other US spots I go to), but the good guys and the fun guys and the freestylists get on anyways.

Over time here, I have convinced a lot of people to get on even in lighter winds, to practice freestyle moves. When some w*nker told me that he didn't bother going out in those winds, I told I didn't want my windsurfing to stagnate.

Simple as that.
Mrgob
Mrgob
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1 Apr 2010 12:47am
Thanks for the invite Divaldo, but they aren't all 'pillocks' in the U.K. (N.E. England.) I think those who have become so are trying to compensate for the fact that they long ago reached their peaks, and have nowhere left to go.

From what I see, they buy the latest, fastest boards and rigs each year in an effort to convince themselves that it's not so, and only use them when the wind is just right, so that they aren't made to look stupid. Why else would they all be left lying around the beach for the better part of any session, while they endlessly pose and prattle in the car park cum promenade?

Me, I'm out whatever doing silly tricks if it's non planing. As Pierrec45 says, the next board will be a Freestyle, and to hell with whether I make myself look daft! I'll have a huge grin on my face.
Mrgob
Mrgob
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116 posts
1 Apr 2010 1:15am
Yes, I've found a new spot Flipper 11. I'm not tired of windsurfing, (no way), just the lousy atmosphere at what was always my favourite beach. Have fun mate.
pepe47
pepe47
WA
1382 posts
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1 Apr 2010 1:35am
Never really needed motivation to do something I love to do, but I do require motivation to go to work to pay for the little extras I like. New board, 'nother sail etc.
Maybe, they're inspired by what they do
Leman
Leman
VIC
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1 Apr 2010 9:40am
Windxtasy said...

Leman said...

You can imagine what I was like when I did a campervan trip from Perth down past Margaret River the summer before last (with no intention of sailing).


HOW CAN YOU GO FROM PERTH TO MARGARET RIVER IN SUMMER WITH NO INTENTION OF SAILING!!!!




I know!! I'm a disgrace to windsurfers the world over. Just to "add salt to the wound"
- Some inlet not far south of Perth, tons of windsurfers and kiters, awesome wind
- Yallinup, sailors and kiters out in droves with awesome conditions.
- beach off Margaret River and there is an Ezzy windsurfing comp on... Bah!
- Camp spot at Walpole even has 2 windsurfers enjoying the inlet.

In my defence I wanted to put in some good girlfriend time. Good me.

Mrgob if there is one disadvantage to non-wetsuit sailing it's that I get tons of scraps and cuts either from fins or just scrapign along the non-slip deck. Sporting at least 5 scars from no wetsuit.
Flipper11
Flipper11
VIC
356 posts
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1 Apr 2010 1:08pm
Think i might have to give this leman dude a thumb down
Rider5
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WA
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1 Apr 2010 12:23pm
Mrgob said...

You have to wonder what keeps long term windsurfers motivated?

The average windsurfing population is ageing, and numbers are declining, so what satisfaction are we now getting from it? Has it just become a habit because we can't think what else to do? (Everyone's got to be somewhere!)

Looking around our local beach the other day and comparing it to how it used to be 15 years ago, was depressing. Then, swarms of windsurfers all full of enthusiasm couldn't wait to get onto the water. (Into the car park, into wet suit, rigged and out before the exhaust had cooled and stopped ticking.) Furthermore, they stayed in for two or three hours whatever the wind was like.

Last week, on a good day, only a handful of regulars were out. The rush to get out had gone, replaced by an hours talking in the vans before even startingt to rig.When they did hit the water it was for a twenty minute blast followed by another car park talking session.

I don't know what others do to keep motivated, but I find that variation is a key element. I've always kept my older boards and currently have eight to choose from, and some older ones in reserve. So there is blasting, surfing, longboard cruising and kayaking if I need a change.

I don't imagine ever stopping windsurfing, but sometimes it is difficult to overcome that feeling of having done it all before, so why bother? How do others keep the juices flowing?






Huh ??? the above makes no sense ! You either got it or you aint. After 25 years I still got it to the max !
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