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The Grinch
The Grinch
WA
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11 Jun 2007 10:00am


The mast extension to end all mast extensions!



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DL
DL
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DL DL
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11 Jun 2007 3:48pm
My biggest concern is with the friction between the red and black bits.

Imagine when the mast is fully loaded how hard those parts will be pressing against each other. Aluminium on aluminium + sand will make it wear through pretty quickly, I'd think. Dotmar make a polyethylene that could be used as a wear strip (replaceable maybe?).

http://www.dotmar.com.au/products/polyethylene/polyethylene_main.htm
The Grinch
The Grinch
WA
733 posts
WA, 733 posts
11 Jun 2007 3:53pm

Rollers between the red and black bits?
CJW
CJW
NSW
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CJW CJW
NSW, 1731 posts
11 Jun 2007 6:20pm
It will only work in an ideal world where the laws of physics do not apply :P Conversely i'm not sure what it's trying to achieve? Downhaul adjustment on the fly?
The Grinch
The Grinch
WA
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WA, 733 posts
11 Jun 2007 4:39pm

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=28809

This thread answers all your questions..
TimB
TimB
WA
260 posts
WA, 260 posts
11 Jun 2007 4:59pm
Engineering plastics such as the PE from Dotmar are super expensive. The material cost, manufacturing cost and weight of this mast base would cancel out any of the benefits you are trying to achieve.

I hate to say it but I don't think there is anything to gain by going down this path.
DL
DL
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DL DL
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11 Jun 2007 5:08pm
But it's cool!

I wish I had some machining skillz so I could make it myself :(
The Grinch
The Grinch
WA
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WA, 733 posts
11 Jun 2007 5:19pm

It is VERY cool.

Did that WA guy say "I'm not going to climb everest because it's too expensive and weighs too much" ?

No, he didn't, he climbed that mountain and then came back down again, doubling his coolness!

I rest my case...
Shane
Shane
WA
202 posts
WA, 202 posts
11 Jun 2007 6:43pm
I think this is a great idea. I would buy one! I guess the only difficulty could be pulling the sail down far enough to attach the tack to the bottom of the mast base. This is where the current system works well, with the long downhaul line to thread through the eyelet once and pull the sail down far enough to reeve the downhaul properly.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
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11 Jun 2007 7:08pm
quote:
Originally posted by Shane

I guess the only difficulty could be pulling the sail down far enough to attach the tack to the bottom of the mast base.



That's something I hadn't thought about, I've got a few sails that don't need any extension, for those you'd have to use a conventional system.
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
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11 Jun 2007 8:22pm
quote:
Originally posted by The Grinch


It is VERY cool.

Did that WA guy say "I'm not going to climb everest because it's too expensive and weighs too much" ?

No, he didn't, he climbed that mountain and then came back down again, doubling his coolness!

I rest my case...


Yes he has doubled his coolness (literally) but he is not a "hero"! Quoting the West Australian News Paper. Climbing a frigin mountain doesnt make you a hero. There are thousands of other people out there who are true heros
elmo
elmo
WA
8894 posts
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11 Jun 2007 8:29pm
quote:
Originally posted by Greenroom

quote:
Originally posted by The Grinch


It is VERY cool.

Did that WA guy say "I'm not going to climb everest because it's too expensive and weighs too much" ?

No, he didn't, he climbed that mountain and then came back down again, doubling his coolness!

I rest my case...




Yes he has doubled his coolness (literally) but he is not a "hero"! Quoting the West Australian News Paper. Climbing a frigin mountain doesnt make you a hero. There are thousands of other people out there who are true heros



Much cooler are the Sherpas who do it weekly carrying all the climbers essential crap up there like tents, food and Oxygen
The Grinch
The Grinch
WA
733 posts
WA, 733 posts
12 Jun 2007 10:32am

You're right Greenroom, he's not a Hero.

If he had killed some terrorists when he was up there or got himself stuck in a hole for a coupla days then he would have been a hero.
And he probably doesnt even windsurf.

Back to the Seabreeze Grinch.

"I guess the only difficulty could be pulling the sail down far enough to attach the tack to the bottom of the mast base. This is where the current system works well, with the long downhaul line to thread through the eyelet once and pull the sail down far enough to reeve the downhaul properly. "

You would still have to have the normal system in place, mainly to get the tack eye pulled down initially.
Saying that i'm sure you could incorporate it into the design so that when you downhaul you initially pull the tack eye downwards to the base of the mast.

Decrepit.
If you think about it, if the system is easier and you can adjust you downhaul on the fly you would 'in the end' buy shorter masts so that you can use the system. It would take a few years but after a while it would become the norm to have a shorter mast to incorporate the system.

TimB
Weightwise, I really dont think its going to be a big problem. I mean some people use mast extensions twice the size that other people are using, and the weight is at the bottom of the mast is having little inertia effect.

Friction and Jamming:
These are the showstoppers. Seals are no good, the device must be operable even if sand and rubbish gets in it.
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
5000 posts
VIC, 5000 posts
12 Jun 2007 1:08pm
You'd need a roller assembly at the base of mech. to allow for adjustment without removing rig from board (ie:- feet planted against the board and pull-away from base). Otherwise, the board would interfere with downhauling action if it's to be a true on-the-water adjustment. Unless you're keen to de-rig in the water??

P.S. Is it just me, or does anyone else get slightly aroused by watching DL's animated extension pic??? MMMMMmmmm, up-down-up-down-up-down!!!
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