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Auswind
Auswind
WA
398 posts
WA, 398 posts
30 Nov 2006 11:00am
Never in the history of Windsurfing has such complete domination of the competition scene been achieved by one team

Check this:

www.star-board.com//news.php?readmore=74

and this:

www.star-board.com/

For the most proven,innovative, fastest, loosest and "rangiest" board what will you be considering next? Demos available at your nearest participating store.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15105 posts
WA, 15105 posts
30 Nov 2006 11:48am
Yeah, yeah, we all know that you sell Starboard.

As far as your question goes, yes I will be considering a JP. Why do you ask?

Just to keep this topic informative, can you give us a run down on the implied innovation that they have brought about? I wouldn't mind a single board that is the "fastest, loosest, and the rangiest"! In one board, that would be excellent!

Can you also make it perform as an early planer and handle steep chop in wind strengths from 14 to 35 knots? If you could somehow make it fit into the back of a regular station wagon easily and cost less than $2k, I would definitely buy one! Maybe even two!

Dale.


Auswind
Auswind
WA
398 posts
WA, 398 posts
30 Nov 2006 12:09pm
Only 2 boards to do all that ?!

easy! - an evo 80 and an Isonic 111 ! That'll have the whole thing covered in the windrange that you state
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15105 posts
WA, 15105 posts
30 Nov 2006 12:19pm
I like your attempt, but I meant one board :) i.e. "single board"

I will accept your offer though, a brand new evo 80 and a brand new Isonic 111 for less than $2k. Can I pick them up in early January?

Did I mention that I weighed 100kgs? Does that make a difference?
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15105 posts
WA, 15105 posts
30 Nov 2006 12:25pm
Oh, I just realised that the '80' in an Evo 80 refers to the volume and not the max. width! Damn, that's going to be hard for me to sail on, even at the 35 knots level.

The Isonic is 111cm wide though isn't it? My formula board is only 100cm wide, but hey, what's an extra 11cm...

111 litres you say? Do I have to sail it on the dead sea?
TelecomGreg
TelecomGreg
QLD
94 posts
QLD, 94 posts
30 Nov 2006 3:23pm
There is one HUUUUUGH reason I would not buy a starboard that poxy U.S. box that you choose to put in all your freeride boards up to around 100L, I know there must be some pretty smart people in the company and the boards look good BUT I've got U.S. box fins for my wave board and a bag full of power box fins for everything else. Mistral and RRD have put power box in 80L boards and it makes good sense to me, maybe I missed something???

TelecomGreg
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
30 Nov 2006 5:37pm
quote:
Originally posted by Auswind

For the most proven,innovative, fastest, loosest and "rangiest" board what will you be considering next? Demos available at your nearest participating store




That's right folks - my nearest store is SURF FX and that's where I buy the most proven, innovative, fastest, loosest and "rangiest" boards out there, by JP

JP - you know what I mean and Tabou

cash for comment, cash for comment
CJW
CJW
NSW
1731 posts
CJW CJW
NSW, 1731 posts
30 Nov 2006 7:05pm
I've got a question, have starboard improved their footstraps yet? My Hypersonic has by far the worst footstraps of any board i've ever come across, including late 80's crappers. I'd also rate it's layup as 'suspect'.
Chris 249
Chris 249
NSW
3585 posts
NSW, 3585 posts
30 Nov 2006 8:07pm
"This is the very first time for any single brand to win the following titles within the same season;

PWA Wave World Championship
PWA Slalom 42 World Championship
PWA Super X World Championship
PWA Constructor's World Championship
Formula World Championship , 11 first places"


It's hardly surprising that no one has won all of those before - this is only the second season for Slalom 42 in the PWA!
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
30 Nov 2006 5:20pm
agree...

starboard good boards, and come up with 1sts... but to have a winge... foot straps...

did they ever sort out the back stap on the carves,..if you just wanted to go the 1 on the back and not have it on an angle


spongy footstraps on the evos - no good...put dakine on , u know it makes sence

apart from that love em.
JasonP
JasonP
QLD
24 posts
QLD, 24 posts
30 Nov 2006 7:38pm
just picked up a 2006 model GO for the missus a couple of weeks ago and the straps on it are a thousand times better than the straps on my 2004 carve
jmm8888
jmm8888
NSW
13 posts
NSW, 13 posts
1 Dec 2006 10:28am
"spongy footstraps on the evos - no good...put dakine on , u know it makes sence

apart from that love em."

Agree with you Windy. But if you have to replace their original fins with aftermarket decent ones like I did , you end up with an extra 200-250$ to your bill (ouch!!!)
JMM
Auswind
Auswind
WA
398 posts
WA, 398 posts
1 Dec 2006 9:34am
here is what windsurf UK had to say about the Evo finish and Starboard straps

"it is finished beautifully in blue livery and comes supplied with Starboard's superb Slick straps II and their uni-directional fish scale deck pads"

"Early to plane, incredibly smooth and with a massive wind range, it stood out in this test as one of the team's clear favourites"

and the Kombats finish - same straps - "is finished to the brand’s usual high standard. With excellent supportive uni-directional deck-pads, an attractive livery and some of the best straps available on the market (being quick to adjust, light and comfortable"

Regarding straps:

Make sure the spacing is correct regarding the foostrap screws - i have seen crew set up on wider strap screw spacing and lose 50% of traction to their board ... Set up correctly the feedback on Starboard straps over the years has generally been favourable over the years - but everyones feet are a little different.

Straps are very personal - i have heard good and bad comments about nearly every footstrap strap on the market. Its a bit like a pair of jeans - everyone has a slightly different fit.

If you like a firmer strap The FO redline is a very very nice aftermarket strap.

Regarding Hypersonic Layups -In Wood This is a full performance layup with weight to stregth ratio being the main emphasis. Even the paint has been thinned to keep weight down!
Warranty rates on the MANY Hypersonics sold in OZ over the years have been near non existant. However if you suspect a problem with your board please get in touch withyour shop where you purchased it - they will contact us and we wlll be happy to check it out.

On the innovation front - Chronologically look at the evolution from the original Go board - now the worlds best selling windsurf board(which won the Canadian racing nats back in 2000) , through to the start, shorter freeride Carve boards (Starboard are often credited in the media as owning this segment due to their many develpments and consistently excellent test results), Evo new wave design (STarboard started it - everyone else followed) trend , pro kids range and finally the Isonic (Antoine Albeau never won a final in 11 years of racing - in his first year on these he wins just about everything!) redefining slalom design. Shorter wider designs that give more speed , looseness and wind range in all aspect of the sport from first timers to world wave and race champions.

the innovation of wood which Starboard introduced to the Cobra factory (and they subsequently released as an option to other brands after the Starboard exclusive rights to this manufacture technique had expired) ,

and the new Active (hollow construction) which we have been active in testing these here in WA for the last 3 years and has now been released into production - Active Evos available in OZ right now ! (this construction method will also be passed on to other manufacturers by Cobra when Starboard's exclusive has run out)

and finally Starboard were the first to pitch the sport hard at the new generation by putting groms front , inside and centre of the 2006 catalogue - working hard at making the sport cool to the kids to compete with Xbox, Snowboarding , kitesurfing etc. rather than a shrinking sport for 30 years and up.

I think its an interesting story and we have a better windsurfing industry and image (not to mention more water time because of all this thinking outside of the box)
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
1 Dec 2006 12:29pm
quote:
Originally posted by CJW

I've got a question, have starboard improved their footstraps yet? My Hypersonic has by far the worst footstraps of any board i've ever come across, including late 80's crappers. I'd also rate it's layup as 'suspect'.



You cant rate boards on the quality of footstraps, if you dont think you will like them in the first place dont put them on and sell them to help fund the straps you do like.

When I first got my hypersonic I felt the same way, I guess the construction gave the board a slightly different feel which I was a little suspect of. After using it for a while, sailing it hard through some wild conditions and some big crashes I now love their construction. IMO it is one of if not the best construction of the big players in the market. If you think starboard wood is fragile dont get a race/slalom board from the others, you will be in tears or doing lots of small repairs often.

I was looking at getting a kombat at one stage and did think that the use of a US fin was a bit weird but realistically it dosen't need anything else with the added benefit that you can use the fins if needed from you're smaller waveboards. It is one area where starboard are innovative- only using two finbox styles through their whole range deep/tuttle and US box. Other brands you change from a slalom board to something a little more suitable for the chop and none of you're fins fit .

My small gripes are I find the footpads a little slippery on my hyper, and the finbox could be a better fit. However I prefer the finbox to be a bit big where you can build it up rather than sanding my fins down as I had to do with an f2 just to get them to fit.

It is only the second season of slalom 42- irrespective compare it to slalom then. There are alot more disciplines now making it tougher for manufacturers- f2 could have claimed similar with dunky's clean sweep of race, slalom, wave plus production speed (Whitey). But again starboard are doing it with production boards- not hand grenades.

JP hahahaha
Auswind
Auswind
WA
398 posts
WA, 398 posts
1 Dec 2006 10:44am
for the crew loyal to any brand

I respect your brand loyalty - a valuable thing these days. The truth is that all brands are capable of making sweet gear these days and many do! This makes for a healthy industry.

Contrast windsurfing with kiting where the latest gimmick or flashy graphic gets attention (often functionality gets buried under unsubstantiated hype)and brands rotate like the wheels on a pokie and we windsurfers are lucky to have an industry with such substance.

In order to keep things this way and

To know that you have the best chance of riding the best board / sail etc for your valuable water time:

Do some research on how many of the brand's team riders actually ride spec production boards in competition.. you would be surprised at how many brand's riders simply refuse to do this.

Check the magazine reviews - at least 2 to get a full picture.

Check- your local , national and international riders - who's doing best on what?

Check -Does the person talking up the board to you windsurf regularly ?

Check - If its a high performance board (Wave, Slalom , Formula)- what sort of National and international competition results has this hull got under its belt ? (and again-does the brand actually require that their team riders use production hulls in competion?) - If its frequently seen up there then this is a very good sign.

Check - Get a nice brochure to give you more specs and info - can you get hold of one easily?

Check - get on the internet - check websites info and forums - what is being said?

Check - do the people behind the brand (owners designers etc) all windsurf alot - quite a few brands have great windsurfing people designing and promoting the gear - quite a few dont - the gears true performance is usually the indicator

Check - is your interested brand, shop involved in the local scene , sponsoring ebents, running a school , advertising in local and national windsurf scene 0 its good to know if your outlet is "into" what is happening.

Do all of this AND get some graphics that suit you and your investment wil have the best odds of being in the right gear.

Whatever brand you ride informed and satisfied sailors make for a better sport all round. Time to go sailing!



CJW
CJW
NSW
1731 posts
CJW CJW
NSW, 1731 posts
1 Dec 2006 4:05pm
Don't get me wrong, I love my Hypersonic it's a unique board that i'll never be selling but that doesn't preclude it from having crap footstraps :) It's a DRAM btw and the deck has gone soft between the rear straps. Granted, it's a massive flat surface which see a lot of impact and this contributes to it's weakness.

I'm not a 'fanboi' and don't buy things because they are 'the in thing' I buy what I consider to be the best for my desired application. The first ever brand new board I bought was an F2-maui project (still have it, still a great board). I was going to buy a Carve 95, great looking board, but I didn't for two reasons. 1) It used a tuttle box, 2) you couldn't have a single rear strap (without it being gumby anyway). Then I bought the Hyper, there was nothing else at the time that offered the range of use and/or performance of that board. Even today it hasn't got _that_ many peers. Last purchase was a wave board. I almost bought an Evo but in the end I bought an RRD. It's the best constructed board I have ever seen, deadset bombproof and super light to boot. After sailing an Evo I'd take my RRD over it any day.

So, I basically have always considered a board from starboard when I make a new purchase. As a company they have pushed the envelope in terms of design and have played a large part in improved windsurfing boards out of sight, particularly for learners. The make some awesome boards, some of which have no peers (Formula comes to mind) but everything they make isn't gold. In some areas other companies offer alternatives that may be more of a fit to your criteria.
Brett Morris
Brett Morris
NSW
1205 posts
NSW, 1205 posts
5 Dec 2006 10:19am
Re: Footstraps. The ones that arrived on my F161 are amazing. Someone has really done their homework...cheers
X-man
X-man
WA
325 posts
WA, 325 posts
5 Dec 2006 10:28am
I didnt read the whole thing but it seems you're insisting for some reason AusWind, they seem to be great boards (i own one), and i guess you're doing your advertising job... but we all see them everywhere so they appear to sell well, + you do the demos AND they do well in the world tour...just chill
X-man
X-man
WA
325 posts
WA, 325 posts
5 Dec 2006 10:31am
Just an Opinion, the ONE thing starboard should do, is change their logo
Bender
Bender
WA
2236 posts
WA, 2236 posts
5 Dec 2006 10:32am
My two cents worth.
2005 95l kombat has crap foot straps.
my new 2006 S-type has the best foot straps i have ever slipped into.
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