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bubs
bubs
SA
924 posts
SA, 924 posts
29 May 2009 11:00am
Hey everyone,

have to do a economics assignment involving price changes in markets. Now i've noticed new board prices going up year after year and now costing well over 2500 so what i was wondering if anyone knew info as to why this was the case, or where i could get info. I've seen this discussed here before i reckon so talked it over with economics teacher and reckon the ideas great... just need the info. anything to do with cobra factory or something along those lines???

Any help appriciated thanks.

Cheers
Bubs
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
29 May 2009 12:28pm
Look into stuff like exchange rates and the costs of making boards. Try to see a link with the cost of crude oil. Try to see how much boards cost in the USA or in a European country and then corrolate this to Australian prices. Hopefully you can then see a relationship between Australian prices and those overseas with exchange rates and hopefully be able to establish other factors that are common to all markets.

I read somewhere there was a big strike at the Cobra factory a year or so ago. Perhaps the price of labour has gone up a bit there.

sailpilot
sailpilot
QLD
787 posts
QLD, 787 posts
29 May 2009 1:01pm
Wow, a school subject which won't put you to sleep.
20 something years ago all you needed to do was relate your products to supply and demand graphs, fudge a few statistics and get back to the beach. I guess you guys are now paying for our complacency....sorry.
I have heard also that some big name brands are stopping production soon as the market sucks, maybe they've been upping the margins to stay afloat (fair enough) but now it seems all too hard. There's a big gap between a fanatic and a carbon art slalom board price and I reackon they're both quality products so maybe the markets about to get a shake down back to size.
Don't really know but hope to hear the outcome of your findings bubs
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
3580 posts
WA, 3580 posts
29 May 2009 12:04pm
@sailpilot,

I think you might be right on the money there. I wouldn't be surprised to see 2 or more board makers disappear from the market by the time 2010 comes around. I don't think the fact that they increased prices by $200 will have a lot to do with it though it will be mainly due to economic factors.

Re price development in the windsurf market, you will actually find that sail prices haven't increased that much over the last 10 to 15 years. I think the arrival of budget brands like Gun Sails have put kept prices down. This hasn't happened in the board segment to the same extend because of the complexity of making a board compared to manufacturing a sail.

From what I have heard from a guy in Germany who used to own a windsurf store but now has gone into distribution, Cobra charges about US$350 per board all depending on what materials you pack in.

It's all a margins game. Let's say cobra increases the cost by 10%. Assuming no one in the supply chain absorbs the increase but instead hands on a 10% increase based on their sale price you end up with RRP going up by 10%.

The problem with this equation though is that the windsurf stores will suffer the most as they deal with the market directly. And the market will determine if they are prepared to pay the prices or not... simple supply and demand issue.

So back to the original question re price increases... do a simple comparison for different markets:
Price 20, 15, 10, 5 years ago and today
Price 20, 15, 10, 5 year ago and today inflation adjusted
compared the different market taking changes in exchange rate into consideration
don't forget to consider changes in import and sales taxes

I think you will find that boards actually didn't increase in price along with inflation which would mean in relative terms boards actually got cheaper over time. Also consider that demand has dropped over time which would also have an impact on price.






Long Reef
Long Reef
SA
583 posts
SA, 583 posts
29 May 2009 3:41pm
You could be very clever and show that it is an elastic priced good (in theory). and include some diagrams. The market is a highly competitive one as consumers are able to easily get information to compare different brands. Price rises in the last year are a function of depreciation of the AUD to 63 cents raising the cost of imports.

There is also a fall in the supply of inputs such as carbon. So the cost is derived from the cost of imports.
swoosh
swoosh
QLD
1929 posts
QLD, 1929 posts
29 May 2009 4:28pm
Economics is great, unless you are the consumer

Wonder if new season gear is gonna get cheaper, AUD back up to almost US 80c. I doubt it thou, theres usually someone along the supply chain swallowing the profits. Thats probably the main problem, being in AUS, I wonder how many hands a piece of kit goes through before it gets to the consumer, and they all need a cut of the profit. Prices inflated by inefficient supply chain? Anyway, I suppose thats the reason why the actual production cost of a board is such a mystery.

Someone should pose a board building company, and approach Cobra about building a production run of boards... wonder what the ex.Factory price per board would be.

I'm guessing the market in Australia is pretty small so competition is fairly limited. Sounds like an overseas holiday/gear purchase trip needs to be planned
sharkbiscuit
sharkbiscuit
820 posts
820 posts
29 May 2009 4:55pm
Hi Bubs

if you do produce a graph of board prices adjusted to todays dollar (GDP adjusted), then I would be very interested in seeing it :)

Ja
WindmanV
WindmanV
VIC
825 posts
VIC, 825 posts
29 May 2009 8:32pm
Hi, Bubs,

Sadly, I still have a lot of info re prices back in the 90's. I'll see if I can dig something out for you, but if so, you'll have to e-mail me $20 for my time spent when I post the results.

During the late '70's, I can recall my Big Boss spending about $1600 for a 25 kg. Windsurfer One-style board, complete with fibreglass mast, lash-on boom and (about 5.0m) sail (high-tech it was too, with 2 x half-battens and being capable of rolling around the mast when not in use). Problem was that he was 5 foot nothing tall and weighed about 100 kg. If he ever got onto the board, dogs would have howled, children would have cried and the fish would have swum to other places, fearing a fall-in. The sail came complete with draft-movement, right from the mast to the outhaul, at no extra cost!

Suggest you see what $1600 is in today's money.

Swoosh: years and years ago, a supply chain for some boards was this:

Distributor for Australia buys in new-season's boards (let's say direct from a European country), about 1 month before the season starts. Distributor then goes to state dealers advising that he has stock of model such-and-such and the price to the dealer is X$. The distributor would also advise a Recommended Retail Price, which the board would be sold at during the season.

With the Internet and e-mail, it is now very easy for people to rapidly check prices within a country at various dealers and also to see what prices are being asked for the same product in O/S countries. IMHO, we don't do too badly, here in Oz.

Regards,

WindmanV
Bluedog76
Bluedog76
249 posts
249 posts
29 May 2009 7:07pm
My recolection of economics......

Lets assume there are two countries, two boards, two sails and perfect information.

One country is good at making boards and one is good at making sails, so rather than each one making both, each concentrate on whichever is cheaper and more efficient.

I often wonder about the windsurfing industry and pricing.

It would have to be a high margin product industry to stay alive with such a relatively small market to deliver to; where pricing is well controlled and margins protected through supply control Otherwise, the constant upgrading of equipment (each year) that is basically the same, particularly in the "utility" it delivers would devalue the product too much.

I found this site and don't know how good it is of if the claims it makes are real:

www.windsurfwholesalesources.com/index.html

I'm not about to stop buying from the shops I buy from, but I don't for a second think that the boards I buy cost a lot to make. I would be surprised if a $2500 name brand board actually costs more than a few hundread dollars to make and the rest is in DSEs (distribution and selling expenses).

A domestic custom board would be different......simply from hours put into making the board and you get value from such a board as you had direct input into it.

Maybe I have it wrong?



decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
29 May 2009 7:43pm
The price of carbon jumped dramatically a while ago, due to the aviation industry using virtually all that could be made. The story was that, money was going to be spent on more factories to make carbon, and after that the price would come down, but don't know if that has happened.
Chris249
Chris249
357 posts
357 posts
29 May 2009 10:19pm
Many, perhaps most, of the boards in Australia are imported and sold to retailers by a company that has a head who was one of the first windsurfers in Australia, and still an active sailor.

The company makes good profits in a completely separate industry. You may well find they don't make a bundle from boards. It may be more that the industry is, to some extent, supported by someone who loves the sport.

Boards in about '82 were about $690 to $1690, fully rigged. That makes them look like pretty good value these days in some ways.

The big difference is that back then, most people just bought one board and then went windsurfing. These days, the industry tries to sell every windsurfer a bunch of boards and sails and tells them they should replace a couple of them each year.

Classic way to make a cheap sport into an expensive one!
bubs
bubs
SA
924 posts
SA, 924 posts
30 May 2009 12:13am
Wow loads of reply's!!!

Cheers for all advice.... will do some looking round and get started sometime (date yet to be decided). Any more info much appreciated, should be a reasonably interesting assignment.

Cheers
Hamish
under finned
under finned
NSW
76 posts
NSW, 76 posts
30 May 2009 12:00pm
One angle that may get you a few brownie points is to Wikipedia a thread under Porters Five Forces Analysis. It gives 5 high level forces shaping why a specific market behaves the way it does:



Using this you can get a good argument going for why board prices have ramped up so much compared to sails as an example. The posts above cover off nearly every one of these already so most of the ideas are there. Should keep you out of having to do too much number crunching as well.....
mathew
mathew
QLD
2172 posts
QLD, 2172 posts
30 May 2009 12:02pm
stehsegler said...
[Re price development in the windsurf market, you will actually find that sail prices haven't increased that much over the last 10 to 15 years. I think the arrival of budget brands like Gun Sails have put kept prices down. This hasn't happened in the board segment to the same extend because of the complexity of making a board compared to manufacturing a sail.


Its not complexity... its the labour cost. You pretty much cant make a modern design sail without using 3D-sail-modelling software, you can however make a board mostly just using the tools lying around the backyard.


From what I have heard from a guy in Germany who used to own a windsurf store but now has gone into distribution, Cobra charges about US$350 per board all depending on what materials you pack in.

It's all a margins game. Let's say cobra increases the cost by 10%. Assuming no one in the supply chain absorbs the increase but instead hands on a 10% increase based on their sale price you end up with RRP going up by 10%.


I think you mean, if cobra puts the price up 10% on $350, then the RRP should jump $35, not $250 (on an RRP of $2500).
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