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Dr.Frontloop
Dr.Frontloop
WA
71 posts
WA, 71 posts
3 Feb 2005 4:02pm
Hi Wavesailers,
as some of the wavesailing rules are currently discussed in another thread, I would like to descibe a situation that occurs frequently and I never know who is right.

Ok, I am surfing towards the beach and looking for a wave to ride. I can see one, but I have to slow down a bit to do not get to close to the beach and to the impact zone. While slowing down, someone else is overtaking me from behind, just before we both more or less simultaneously catch the wave. BUT the other guy who overtook me is suddenly more upwind and closer to the breaking part of the wave. OK, judging just the situation on the wave, it is his right, but isn't it some kind of snaking or at least unfair to steal a wave like this?

Exactly, this happend to me a couple of weeks ago in Mandurah. BUT, this time the guy (who overtook me), accused me to drop in HIS wave, and he was so angry and was trying to hit me with his boom and always shouted at me about killing me (not kidding), that I really became scared.
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Dr. F.
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
WA, 7608 posts
3 Feb 2005 5:36pm
i warned you about hardie and his temper
no seriously thats messed up
what kinda windsurfer would ever speak to another in that manner
my opinion in this situation i would say that the phsyco abusing you should have used his eyes to see what you were doing obviously you were slowing down to catch the swell
isnt there a thing called a line up

GONE WITH THE WIND
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
3 Feb 2005 7:39pm
G'Day Frontloop,
>>>this happend to me a couple of weeks ago in Mandurah. BUT, this time the guy (who overtook me), accused me to drop in HIS wave, and he was so angry and was trying to hit me with his boom and always shouted at me about killing me (not kidding),<<<<

Doesn't sound like a Mandurah local, we're a nice friendly mob down here.
It's nicer to sail with just a few mates out, but as somebody commented on a different thread, being a local doesn't give you any special priveleges! We only get pissed when a "blow in" starts acting like that!!!
That's an agressive move to get right of way. The sort of thing greeny hates about surfing. A fight for right of way, that sort of attitude just ain't nice.
We normally "stack" here and if I was behind you, I'd let you have the wave.
Unless of course you'd done the same move on me earlier!!!
What goes around comes around!


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elmo
elmo
WA
8894 posts
WA, 8894 posts
3 Feb 2005 7:51pm
DR FL

G'day,

Another contensious issue.

I know the scenario you're refering to, Yes we do get quite a few people who stall out and wait letting waves go by to try and pick and choose the waves as they are coming in.

Myself due to lack of skills I have 2 speeds out on the water, moving or not, stalling and waiting is not really an option.

You have raised your piont of view, and I do not condone the behaviour of the bloke who tried to prang you.

But being the devils advocate, looking from the other guys piont of view perhaps went way out back and picked up his swell line a long way out. Riding it in he finds some one waiting "in the line up" who is claiming the wave he lined up from "out back"

As I have pionted out I'm not the best sailer in the world so I go out back to try and line things up It browns me off when someone jibes onto the wave I've lined up half way on my trip back to the break, it's also frustrating when a guy is a stalling good 300mtrs in from you then claims your wave.

Like I said it's contensious and no doubt this will bring out some wonderfull views from everybody who thinks they are in the right.

What is unacceptable is the clown trying to hit you.

Alby


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decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
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3 Feb 2005 9:11pm
Hey Elmo, (another Mandurah local) have I done that to you???

That's a hard one to call, If you've got the wave from outback, it's impolite to say the least, to gybe on the wave in front of you. But if we both leave the impact zone on the way out at the same time. You blast off at 60+ kmh, I grovel slowly upwind, we both gybe about the same time, but I'm 300 m inside you and possibly upwind, I'm ahead in "the stack" but you're on the wave first.
So who's wave is it?????? If there's just the 2 of us and I can see an equally nice wave behind you, it's easier for you to drop back one wave than me. I've almost got to stop to let you go by and catch the one behind you. By the same token, if I can get a reasonable wave ahead of the one you're on, I should catch that, to avoid any hassle.

Sometimes the guy out there groveling is just underpowered, (we don't all have 6.9 m sails), and can't actually catch a wave until it starts to jack up a bit. In that case flying past him is the smart thing to do.

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Dr.Frontloop
Dr.Frontloop
WA
71 posts
WA, 71 posts
3 Feb 2005 9:52pm
Hi all of you,
just to make clear, I was not stalling or waiting. I can understand, that it is annoying if someone is waiting for the best wave and lets through reasonable ones and it is also annoying if someone gybes in the wave you picked hundreds of meters out, but all that was not the case.
However, this was the only negative experience I made in Mandurah, so I keep on going there unless more people try to kill me. I always try to be friendly, because everthing makes more fun, if everbody is friendly.
Dr.F.
elmo
elmo
WA
8894 posts
WA, 8894 posts
3 Feb 2005 10:15pm
Dec And Dr F,

What I put down is an opinion, it happens from time to time but not super frequently even when it's crowded, but the bueaty about Avi is that it is such a large sectiony wave that you can generaly utilise another section anyway.

Sounds like the dude who got in Dr F's face was a pill, karma will get him.

Alby


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Poida
Poida
WA
1922 posts
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4 Feb 2005 10:36am
I've seen a lot of snakey moves at various places and it is great when the sailors get into a circle work mode and stack as you mentioned. places like gnarloo where the wave is long can handle a few sailors on the wave (one at centreys and one at tombies) as long as the down the line sailor doesnt get in the way of the upwind sailor doing a lip launch or something. usually the downwind sailor on the wave can make the wave shutdown for the upwind sailor, hence getting the wave to themselves - snake trick no 5. margarets is a bit harder to handle 2 sailors on one wave but I say 'sharing is caring', specially when i can get another good wave and can smack the lip a few times, why not take turns smacking it with someone else on the wave!
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
4 Feb 2005 8:50pm
Yep, doing crossovers with a mate can be great fun, but I wouldn't recommend unless both of you know what's going on!!!

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Bertie
Bertie
NSW
1351 posts
NSW, 1351 posts
5 Feb 2005 2:55am
yeah my best ever party wave was with Veigard down at Margies. was on 4.7 and a logo wave. i think we each got about 4 bottom turns.

on the serious side i think each break should have its own rule wether stacking is acceptable or wether the guy who claims it out the back gets it. At many breaks stacking is ok if everyone joins the back of the que, but it only works if everyone does one or the other. Up at gnaraloo my mate got his head ripped off by a chick because he stalled and she caught it out back even though he was upwind. none of us stalled there ever again.
sorry elmo u might have to practice sailing in non planing conditions to help with chugging out back.

so which one of u mandurah guys looks most like a coffin cheater bikie and will voulenteer to become Mr. Plod and start thumpin dickheads who bring this sort of agro with them onto the water. Its simply not on. if u do drop in on someone, somehow, (it can happen) u should make a point of waving them on to the wave next time. You can earn lots of respect out on the water by waving ppl onto waves that would othewise be yours, especialy if the other sailer is a bit of a gumby or a grom or a real old fart.

if u plan to share a wave then if u r the downwind sailor make sure ur far enough downwind that u dont get speared in the head when the other guy goes for an aerial.

Bertie

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elmo
elmo
WA
8894 posts
WA, 8894 posts
5 Feb 2005 8:49am
I'll be the mongrel again and paint the target on myself.[}:)]

Signage of local etiquete.

Every break has it's own peculiarities which the local crew have worked with and developed a system which works.

That way anyone who come down won't inadvertently get in someones face and stuff up there day,gear,face.

Now I look like that bikie earlier mentioned, but unfortunately I was trained in the ancient martial art of Jogging (He who fights and runs away lives to run another day).

Fire away dudes target firmly in place.

Alby


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