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Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
2317 posts
TAS, 2317 posts
17 Sep 2007 1:28pm
I was just wondering about a few things...

-Getting out through shore break - any tips? What about at low tide, or on a sandbar, when it's barely deep enough for your fin (or not deep enough), and the waves are breaking - how do you get out?

-If you're sailing out and a steep, breaking wave is headed your way, is it better to try and sail up and over it, or try and make the board punch through it? Or gybe fast and bugger off?

-Why are wave boards generally so low in volume? To my inexperienced mind, logic seems to dictate that being able to float would be a definite advantage in the unpredictable wave environment...

-Any other tips that will save my gear from destruction? I'm hoping to sail a lot at Broadbeach in the Northerlies...

Thanks
Dean
Dean
WA
28 posts
WA, 28 posts
17 Sep 2007 12:43pm
quite a few good questions hopefully this will help:

-for shore and beach breaks I tend to find rigging larger than usual with a floatier board is a good option as the wind tends to be flukey around the waves and swirling water will tend to slow you down. This is essential even though it might result in you being over-powered once clearing the surf line. Its also important to get going as soon as possible, and wait for the gaps in the sets to go out.

-If you have a steep breaking wave heading at you then best option is to sheet in and hit the steepest part! Failing that I dont really think its possible to 'punch through a wave', or its not something i've ever done. So if it hasn't broken yet and your not confident with jumping then depower and go up and over. If your faced with a big wall of broken white water then speed is the key, just as you hit the broken wave jump the nose up the wave, use the sail to maintain power and try to use your momentum to get you over.

-Wave boards are low in volume for manouverability. Ever tried slashing the face of a wave, or completing a tight bottom turn on a floaty slalom board? Very difficult to do. But when learning in the waves a floatier wave board is definately a good option until you gain your confidence.

-I'm not really familiar with the local QLD beaches but my best tips to save your gear from destruction are to land your jumps on the tail, and when in beach breaks if you come off get your mast out of the water quickly, and this should save you breaking your mast.
stribo
stribo
QLD
1628 posts
QLD, 1628 posts
17 Sep 2007 2:44pm
quote:
Originally posted by Wet Willy

I was just wondering about a few things...

-Getting out through shore break - any tips? What about at low tide, or on a sandbar, when it's barely deep enough for your fin (or not deep enough), and the waves are breaking - how do you get out?

-If you're sailing out and a steep, breaking wave is headed your way, is it better to try and sail up and over it, or try and make the board punch through it? Or gybe fast and bugger off?

-Why are wave boards generally so low in volume? To my inexperienced mind, logic seems to dictate that being able to float would be a definite advantage in the unpredictable wave environment...

-Any other tips that will save my gear from destruction? I'm hoping to sail a lot at Broadbeach in the Northerlies...

Thanks



Point one : time it

Point two : back off the speed wait for it to break and float over the white water while keeping power in the rig.Place your front foot at the mast base and keep your back foot in the strap OR hit it flat out and do a backie

Point three : smaller volume boards turn better on the wave

Tips for sailing open beaches : rigg a little bigger sail than you think to get through the sweep. It means you will be a little over powered out the back but at least you will have power in the channel.

Hope it helps
555
555
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555 555
892 posts
17 Sep 2007 12:48pm
If it's barely deep enough for your fin, walk..

Depends how big the wave is, and how much power you have available. If you've got plenty then crank it up and launch off the top. If it's close, big, and you're wallowing, then take a deep breath, get the rig forward and at the last possible moment, give the rig a big pump to help you get over the hill. If it didn't work, at least you took a breath before you went for a rinse cycle.

Wave boards are low volume because you're generally moving quite fast on the wave, and because the wave generates a bit of it's own wind, if you had a big board you'd tend to get airborne a bit on the way back in. Not good for control. Small = good control and maneouvreability at speed. On really light days, a floatier board is good so that you're not slogging around with water up to your thighs.

Tips:
Learn to duckdive your gear. Practice the vulcan death grip on the top of your mast. If you're going under a wave, always point the top of the sail out to sea, hold on to the mast and stay on the seaward side of your gear. If your mast ends up pointing at the beach and a wave hits it, there's a good chance that the top of the mast will get driven into the bottom of the ocean.. SNAP!
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
WA, 7608 posts
17 Sep 2007 7:04pm
Sorry cant answer must be quick internet cafe sucks AAAHHHRRR!!!
HAIL
HAIL
SA
1160 posts
SA, 1160 posts
17 Sep 2007 9:18pm
what really suprised me wheni first went out in the waves was how steep some of the waves are. even the small ones. when u r not planing and go over un broken wave u feel the real force of the water!!!!! its amazing! does anyone else know wat i mean?
Mr. No-one
Mr. No-one
WA
921 posts
WA, 921 posts
17 Sep 2007 10:31pm
This ones a real gear saver. Picture this, your groveling out with a mast high wave jacking up about to dump on you( like being caught with your pants down) This used to scare the he77 out of me until I found if you pull back hard on the boom (loading the sail up), then releasing it (letting go of the boom just b4 impact) your gear will be sling shotted over the wave while you dive in the water backwards. I've been cleaned up a few times but my gear always makes it over, and it's a lot easier swimming out to your rig than swimming in after it. In shallow water try body dragging with your back to the floor, off the plane of course.
MikeyS
MikeyS
VIC
1509 posts
VIC, 1509 posts
18 Sep 2007 12:38am
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. No-one

This used to scare the he77 out of me until I found if you pull back hard on the boom (loading the sail up), then releasing it (letting go of the boom just b4 impact) your gear will be sling shotted over the wave while you dive in the water backwards. I've been cleaned up a few times but my gear always makes it over, and it's a lot easier swimming out to your rig than swimming in after it. In shallow water try body dragging with your back to the floor, off the plane of course.



Maybe I have it pictured wrong, but aren't you likely to end up wearing a fin in your face or a mast up the date if your gear doesn't make it over the wave?
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
2317 posts
TAS, 2317 posts
18 Sep 2007 12:05pm
"This ones a real gear saver. Picture this, your groveling out with a mast high wave jacking up about to dump on you( like being caught with your pants down) This used to scare the he77 out of me until I found if you pull back hard on the boom (loading the sail up), then releasing it (letting go of the boom just b4 impact) your gear will be sling shotted over the wave while you dive in the water backwards. I've been cleaned up a few times but my gear always makes it over, and it's a lot easier swimming out to your rig than swimming in after it. In shallow water try body dragging with your back to the floor, off the plane of course."

I get it...and the rig will be thrown onto the seaward side of the board, right? Cool... now, if only I can remember this one at the right moment...and not use it too often as an easy way out...
Leech
Leech
WA
1933 posts
WA, 1933 posts
18 Sep 2007 10:20am
I'm picturing board nose breakage. What stops the mast from flogging the board after you let it go? Do you have to kick the board out as well or something?
WindWarrior
WindWarrior
NSW
1019 posts
NSW, 1019 posts
18 Sep 2007 12:50pm
Sling shot your gear over a mast high wave... now that's something we would be very interested in seeing or witnessing
555
555
892 posts
555 555
892 posts
18 Sep 2007 11:25am
All this talk of slingshots, body dragging, jacking and being caught with your pants down is making me suspicious.. Starting to sound an awful lot like kitespeak!

I haven't figured out what he means by "body dragging with your back to the floor" either.. I can't quite figure out how you'd do that, or how it would help?
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
2317 posts
TAS, 2317 posts
18 Sep 2007 3:28pm
I'd rather ding the nose than break another mast, but hey, yeah, you could kick the tail sideways as you make your exit. This would certainly improve your chances of becoming physically one with your board...

Me, I'll stick with the knee-high waves for now...
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
18 Sep 2007 8:10pm
In the old days before legropes, we used to be able to "flickout" a heavy old malibu over more than head high waves, the stronger the offshore the better it worked. So I think with lighter boards and a sail to help, it should be possible. Technique very different of course, be good to see somebody do it!
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
18 Sep 2007 8:19pm
did the flick out, last time i was at corros on a big day - problem was that i went over the top of the wave too...when i looked up, my gear was about 20ft in the air heading straight my way - did the ol hands over the head and hoped for the best - luckly it worked out, if i had just bailed in front of the wave and dived.. i would be still swimming for my gear today
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23684 posts
WA, 23684 posts
18 Sep 2007 9:36pm
Sheet in hard and do a backflip at the same time so the gear goes over and you get to swim under the wave?? Bvllsh!tfarkin.

Well OK that is a bit harsh, maybe it would work a few times.

A mast hi hollow one coming your way is never a surprise (you can see it!!!) so the chicken gybe is best option. Gybe, then u r travelling in same direction as the wave (even slowly) so the whitewater will catch you but you'll have minimal breath holding as it will give you a great big nice push.
If the wave catches you but hasn't broken yet.... well you should not have gybed cos you would have made it!!!!

Best tip for cross or crossoff conditions and grovelling out in big waves: turn hard upwind just before you cross the peak of the wave: saves the involuntary aerial with no feet in the straps (which can get ugly, real ugly).

My other tip... if already down... point mast out to sea and hold the boom with front hand in 'normal' position and back hand grabs rear footstrap. That way the waves drag u in and even better the gear stays in a close to waterstart position. This is fine up to mast hi as there is no need to duck dive under it. UNLESS if the waves are seriously hollow and sucky, and you are right where they're breaking. Then it MAY pick you up and drop you, and a fin thru you may be a possibility. 99% of the time this is not the case, you're getting hit with whitewater and holding onto ur gear is a great help.
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
19 Sep 2007 12:26am
yep, go as far up a breaker as you can and if you aint gonna make it without going backwards over the falls, slingshot the fooker! works every time.
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
2317 posts
TAS, 2317 posts
19 Sep 2007 4:10pm
OK, armed with the above information, I'm going out at Broadbeach over the next few days. Definitely not "wavesailing" as such, but launching through "waves" in order to go "sailing".

If you hear a lot of swearing and shouting, you'll know what happened to my (relatively new) mast...
Leech
Leech
WA
1933 posts
WA, 1933 posts
19 Sep 2007 2:33pm
getting out just lean back as you go over a wave, keep the nose high. Always keep the white water on the bottom of your board, never let it hit the deck. go through the whitewater dead on and you'll be amazed at what you can get over.

at speed, if there's a bigger one behind the wave you're crossing absorb the wave with your knees so you don't jump big. You'll need the speed to get over the next one and you can't afford to sink on a badly landed jump.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
19 Sep 2007 6:29pm
Don't forget to unweight the back foot as you go over white water, any back foot pressure in the soup will spin you out straight away. If you're going slow, it's best to stop leaning out altogether, sheet out a bit and get over the board.
And as Leech says, don't go thru waves go over.
gazza
gazza
WA
647 posts
WA, 647 posts
19 Sep 2007 6:54pm
don't forget to head down wind on your way out this is the most important thing in cross onshore winds it will help you get maximum speed

even if you hit a wave under the lip with heaps of speed you will stand a better chance of getting of punching through it

Scabs is one of the hardest places to sail on the west coast with its heavy wave, strong current and light winds on the inside

the only guys who will get out most of the time unscathed is though flying down wind and pumping there sails

no speed in any waves will always lead to disaster at some stage

so rig big, sail down wind Pump the sail and just hit the thing with your eyes wide open theres nothing like a good flogging to bring you back to reality if things go wrong

Good luck and have fun it will always get easy the more you try
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