Waveboard recommendations for a big bloke?

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Pointman
Pointman
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7 Jun 2007 2:06pm
Just finished reading the 'Equipment Minimalist' thread and it's got me all juiced up to talk kit.

I'd like to hear from the big fella's out there (100kg+) and what the go is for a wave / freestyle wave board. I'm 110kg, 6'2" (trying to get closer to a 100, but that's easier said than done).

I've just laid out 3.5k for speedsailing / freeride kit (115L Kinetic + 7.5/6.6 Koncepts) so I'm looking for a bargain buy (under $1000 waveboard).

Currently I'm riding an old skool glass board (8'10" Delta, circa 2000, probably around 95L) and while I love sailing this board when it's fully powered up (at least 22k+) it's a dog in the patchy metro seabreezes we get lately...and admittedly far too small for my current weight.

Any recommendations? I've been on the lookout for second-hand Kombats (ideally around 107L) and other larger freestye waveboards, but they seem pretty scarce.

BTW I sail mainly the northern beaches (Metts) and whilst I'm planning a trip to Gnaraloo, realistically I sail mainly in cross-onshore conditions. Also, with the Kinetic I won't bother wavesailing in less than 20K and my main sail is a 5.7.

Thoughts people??
T-11
T-11
WA
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7 Jun 2007 2:30pm
Pointman,

I would go for a JP Real World Wave 92. Yes it is only 92L but it is wide at about 62cm which would be close to 5cm to 8cm wider than the Delta you are riding which means it it will feel floater. These boards work well in the Perth on-shore slop and for a big guy also work well in the better stuff up North or down South, they are also quite fast so for bump & jump they work well they are also very plug and play so not much of a leraning curve required to ride one. I suggest you get a smaller fin than the stock fin for those really strong days around 23cm would be good as it comes with a 25cm fin. You could go for a freestyle wave board but I believe that these are no where near as good in the waves.
I hope this helps.

Pete
jord070
jord070
WA
1109 posts
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7 Jun 2007 2:44pm
hi point man,
my dad who is 100 kg gets away on a starboard fish, 85 leater in around 28 knotts no worries and in the lighter 20 to 25 knott range he is using a jp freestyvle 90 ltr, and his sail he uses is a 5.5 and a 6.0 for those conditions, so your sail range you use should be perfect.
hope this helps ya out,
Gestalt
Gestalt
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7 Jun 2007 5:37pm
hi pointman,

i think if you want a wave board that will get you going in 15+ knots, unless you are a pro in the surf you are on the money with your thoughts of 109lt. especially with a 5.7m

i'm 96kg and on my 95lt fish i get going in 12-15 knots on flat water with a 6.4..... through lack of real experience in the surf i don't like to venture into the waves unless it's 18 or up.

being heavier means you can through a wider board around no probs. smaller guys will struggle but big guys wider is ok.

i've been looking for a secondhand 117lt wave board for a while now. i don't think 2nd hand ones exist. i ended up looking at a new custom board.

if you're not experienced in the surf getting something a little bigger in volume than your body weight will give you the confidence in the lighter winds.

the other choice is buy a second hand freeride board for lighter winds and small surf.
ka43
ka43
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7 Jun 2007 5:45pm
Hey Pointman,
Gestalt has a handle on it. I got myself a Fanatic freewave 104 this last summer and even though I havent used it that much I love it.
Its got the float to schlog along in non-planing winds but as soon as it picks up away it goes. It rides waves pretty good, has a great speed and jumps well.
I manly use it with a 6.2 wave sail and its fine. Volume is enough to get you back to the beach if the winds dies but its not to big if it picks up either.
At 63.5 wide and 245 long I love it. It can also be setup as a blasting board as well with outboard strap psoitions.
Wont be any second hand around Id say but just my 2 cents worth.
Hope this helps.
Alberto
Alberto
WA
213 posts
WA, 213 posts
7 Jun 2007 3:59pm
Hey Pointman,
if you have a minute swing by Windshack to have a look, we have a LARGE range of waveboards over 90L, from DL to FW so you can have a look at different shapes.
Best wind&waves
Alberto

Windshack Team
beer pig
beer pig
WA
118 posts
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7 Jun 2007 8:55pm
hay piontman i way about 95kgs and my weapon of choice is the evo 91 it is my number 1 mandurah board itis very forging and easy 2 ride. it is a great board 2 chug around on .its not the fastest 2 plane but you have 2compensate for its wave abilty it can do everything a small wave board can do and it is very good at freestlye it is also forsale 900dollars and iam shore paul from 2wind may have one.
i have also used it at gnarloo.
Sailhack
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7 Jun 2007 11:40pm
quote:
Originally posted by Pointman

I'd like to hear from the big fella's out there (100kg+) and what the go is for a wave / freestyle wave board. I'm 110kg, 6'2" (trying to get closer to a 100, but that's easier said than done).


Pointman.....You have stolen my identity!!! (well, my body at least!)

Good to see the 'big' boys can fly...I know nothing about waves, but (as a 100kg+GST) freeride sailor, I'm keen to give it a go. How do you go on the waves? Is it all about technique? I've only ever seen and heard from under-nourished lil-fellas who reckon that once on the waves, you'll never look back, but I have yet to see one of us "playing in the surf".
md74
md74
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7 Jun 2007 11:52pm
depends on how much wind you have where u live, Im on the gold coast, not known for huge winds, so I have a 109l JP freestyle wave, I am 6'3" 88kg.

Yes it is a bit big, but gets the job done nice.
TimB
TimB
WA
260 posts
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8 Jun 2007 9:00am
Pointman, I have a 96l Starboard Fish that I'm selling and as a fat bastard it was my wavboard of choose.

At the moment it is at 2nd Wind in Applecross on consignment.
Pointman
Pointman
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437 posts
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8 Jun 2007 10:04am
quote:
Originally posted by Sailhack

quote:
Originally posted by Pointman

I'd like to hear from the big fella's out there (100kg+) and what the go is for a wave / freestyle wave board. I'm 110kg, 6'2" (trying to get closer to a 100, but that's easier said than done).


Pointman.....You have stolen my identity!!! (well, my body at least!)

Good to see the 'big' boys can fly...I know nothing about waves, but (as a 100kg+GST) freeride sailor, I'm keen to give it a go. How do you go on the waves? Is it all about technique? I've only ever seen and heard from under-nourished lil-fellas who reckon that once on the waves, you'll never look back, but I have yet to see one of us "playing in the surf".



Cheers Sailhack. Nice to know I'm not alone as a 'plus plus' windsurfer.

I haven't done much wavesailing lately, mainly B&J around the Perth metro area (Perth doesn't get much in the way of real wavesailing...you have to venture north or south for the good stuff).

However I don't think size is really an issue so long as your kit is appropriately matched to your weight (mine isn't at the moment). Most of my wavesailing has been done at Lancelin and Gero, both of which get some pretty ballistic seabreezes (30k not uncommon). In those conditions being heavy can work to your advantage...when the little guys are getting knocked sideways by the gusts us heavyweights are pedal to the metal, powering on and getting big air.

Only real drawback I find is that I tend to trash a lot of gear. If you think about it most kit is probably designed to withstand the forces associated with an average size sailor (75-80kg). Add 30kg on top of that and the forces when you land/crash from a big jump are much higher.

Get into wavesailing...it's a helluva lot of fun, and whilst it takes time to master the art of riding and shredding waves, it doesn't take that long to get the hang of jumping, and the rush is awesome.


Pointman
Pointman
WA
437 posts
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8 Jun 2007 10:13am
Thanks for all the replies guys.

Interesting contrasting the responses of the Eastern states crew (go larger) with the WA crew (go smaller).

I think for me the answer lies somewhere in between. I wouldn't be comfortable going as small as 91-92L, but maybe don't need to go as big as 107-109L? Split the difference and I'm at around a 100L.

Also thinking I need to demo some of these new skool stubby waveboards. I know epoxy boards feel floatier than glass ones, and the extra width compensates for volume.

Food for thought.

Alberto, I'll come by your shop next time I'm in the neighbourhood. I've already been to a few shops and there ain't a lot out there in larger waveboards...above 100L it's mostly slalom and freeride boards.

shi thouse
shi thouse
WA
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8 Jun 2007 10:49am
Pointman, I am 6'6 and weigh around the 115kg mark and the issue of board size has taken me some time to work out. I have done the 95litre wave board however my best compromise has been a 117litre Cross and a 105 Exowave. The 117litre has been one of the best sailing purchases I have made. The board maximises my time in the waves and as far as I am concerned that is what matters the most. I got sick of watching the little blokes fly past me while I was dogging it. I have used both boards in all conditions and they perform beautifully, plus I get to use a similar sized sail to everyone else.

These boards are made for people of the XXXL sizes and aim to give you performance and time on water!



Pointman
Pointman
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8 Jun 2007 11:16am
quote:
Originally posted by shi thouse

Pointman, I am 6'6 and weigh around the 115kg mark and the issue of board size has taken me some time to work out. I have done the 95litre wave board however my best compromise has been a 117litre Cross and a 105 Exowave. The 117litre has been one of the best sailing purchases I have made. The board maximises my time in the waves and as far as I am concerned that is what matters the most. I got sick of watching the little blokes fly past me while I was dogging it. I have used both boards in all conditions and they perform beautifully, plus I get to use a similar sized sail to everyone else.


These boards are made for people of the XXXL sizes and aim to give you performance and time on water!





Had a look at the Exocet website.

The Exo Wave 105 looks the goods.

I like that it is only claiming to be a waveboard, not some hybridised allrounder.

Do Exocet have a stockist in Perth?


westozwind
westozwind
WA
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8 Jun 2007 12:12pm
Talk to Rooster. He's in your weight division and rides Exocet boards.
shi thouse
shi thouse
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8 Jun 2007 12:31pm
Mark at Surf Sail is the Perth dealer and apparently there is also a Exocet dealer in Gero. I changed over from JP to Exocet after living down in Bunbury and sailing with the Rooster.

Rooster is a bit lighter than me but he also likes the boards.

Big Al
Big Al
WA
265 posts
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8 Jun 2007 1:29pm
Exocet boards are awesome, Mark at Surf Sail in Leederville will sort you out. The heel pads are a godsend for anyone with dodgey knees. Check em out.

AB....
Jens
Jens
WA
348 posts
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14 Jun 2007 11:18am
Hi Pointman,

I'm in the same category as you, and have 3 wave boards listed in planning/ease of light wind sailing order:
Fish 97l-light wind option
Acid 94l-powerful wave option
Evo 92l-onshore/crap wave option

With this combo I can cover winds from 12-30 knots, using sails from 4.2-6.9m. It works, but it is a lot of gear.

Of these boards, only the Evo is still available, and this is the least easy to get going and keep on the plane. If I were starting over I'd be checking out the SSD thrusters because I have seen these work for some big blokes in very light winds, and still look like heaps of fun. I've seen Corey riding his in zero wind at Margarets long after the lightweights have called it a day often enough to realize that these boards have some serious potential for blokes like us.

Cheers, Jens
JESUS
JESUS
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14 Jun 2007 12:08pm
x wave 103 www.exocet-original.com/
JEZ
JEZ
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JEZ JEZ
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14 Jun 2007 4:37pm
Exocet are also available from 2ndwind sailboards again this year.
The new season sizes and pricing have just been released. Contact us if you would like some more info.
Cheers
Jez
bigboard
bigboard
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14 Jun 2007 9:55pm
As a heavyweight who been sailing for a few years over 100 kg., I am of the opinion that for small boards it isn't so much the equipment as the skill of the sailor given the conditions he is sailing that determines what kind of board he sails. If you can slog through the lulls with a lot of skill, a smaller board will be your best choice. If you sail a location where the wind dies often, but you like to swim back to shore, you can go small.
dave.h
dave.h
WA
194 posts
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15 Jun 2007 6:54am
hey pointman,
I am in the same weight devision as you and know that the difference in being a 95kg sailor( as U used 2 be) and being over the 100kg weight can be very different(102kg). dosn't seem that much in numbers but on the water it isnt that easy getting your board going.
The board that I use is a mistral syncro 103. Smaller guys will say its to free-ridey, but having that extra weight on it gives it a compleatly different feel. drop dowm the fin to a 24-25cm wave fin and single back strap and you can get amongst it.
The mistral syncros pr the exo wave 105 would be my recomendation. I have a 88ltr exocet and its a great board as well, but needs wind for me to cumfy on it.
other than that maby look at customs like bluejuice or ssd.
dave.
Sailhack
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15 Jun 2007 5:39pm
quote:
Originally posted by bigboard

As a heavyweight who been sailing for a few years over 100 kg., I am of the opinion that for small boards it isn't so much the equipment as the skill of the sailor given the conditions he is sailing that determines what kind of board he sails. If you can slog through the lulls with a lot of skill, a smaller board will be your best choice. If you sail a location where the wind dies often, but you like to swim back to shore, you can go small.



Sorry Bigboard, but......WHAT THE???

No-one likes to swim!!! (there may be noah's)
shi thouse
shi thouse
WA
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15 Jun 2007 4:37pm
You get my vote Sailhack with the "What the ". I don't find anything more frustrating than the slog. If your spending too much time "slogging it" your either sailing with too small a sail, too low a volume board, or there is no wind.

If I am not planing, I am not enjoying it. Things start to hurt and muscles start to cramp. Your not doing what you set out to do, so you stop doing it.

If I wanted to swim, I would go to a pool.

Besides a lot of these "big" boards (which are theoretically not big if you are pushing over the 100kg) have great manoeuvrability.
Bender
Bender
WA
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15 Jun 2007 5:36pm
Pointman please consider a Starboard Kombat. Yes i know i am bias as i ride Starboards.

I have a Kombat 95 and it is really a great one board option. I use it as a light wind waveboard as living in Bunno its not windy. I sail with 4.7m upto 6.0m wave sails and it is super easy to use.

Just recently i set it up for flat water by putting the straps outward and loading it with a 6.4m cam sail. It flies.

I weight 82kgs
Sailhack
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16 Jun 2007 1:13am
I had a go on a mate's starboard aero (fat 'kombat') last weekend.....good board, yet to test it in high winds, this weekend maybe...but as a crossover board, rides well!!!
Pointman
Pointman
WA
437 posts
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16 Jun 2007 4:11pm
quote:
Originally posted by shi thouse

You get my vote Sailhack with the "What the ". I don't find anything more frustrating than the slog. If your spending too much time "slogging it" your either sailing with too small a sail, too low a volume board, or there is no wind.



I hear ya shi thouse.

The whole reason I'm looking for another board is 'cos I'm sick of sloggging in sub-planing conditions while the lightweights sail rings around me!!

I also think it's a bit of a myth that you can compensate for lower volume by putting up a larger sail. I regularly carry a 5.7 when lighter guys are rigging 4.7's and I still struggle to get planing at times.

I've concluded that I won't go any smaller than 105L for my next board. At 110kg than means I'm not too negatively bouyant. If I do manage to lose some weight (aiming to get to around a 100kg) then I've got a light wind wave board that should still be reasonably well behaved when it blows up.

Swimming is for fish!!


curac
curac
WA
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16 Jun 2007 6:33pm
I didn't read this thread because i am too fkin lazy so lah de fkin dah.

annnnnnway.. you being a big fella and all maybe you should get a custom board from SSD or delta. at 110 you should have skimped on the freeride **** and payed up on the wave stuff heh..

oh maybe think about getting a proof board. dunkie is 110 and its his company so it would make good board for fat ****s
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
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21 Jun 2007 2:29pm
Holy hell. I am 93 kg, and I need 130 litres and 7-9 metre sails to move. You guys have some real wind over there.

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