What is a Z Boom

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Pittsy
Pittsy
SA
251 posts
SA, 251 posts
12 Jan 2007 1:32pm
Hey windsurfers.

can any one tell me what a Z Boom is I saw a pic of 1 the other day but was just like what there?

Cheers Pittsy.
whyner
whyner
NSW
762 posts
NSW, 762 posts
12 Jan 2007 2:18pm
A boom shaped like a z for better ergenomics and reduction of rsi. Your front hand could hang onto the 45degree part of the Z and was thought to be more comfotable.
Paul Kelf
Paul Kelf
WA
678 posts
WA, 678 posts
12 Jan 2007 12:21pm
Z-Booms have been around for longer than you have been alive sonny!

Some old guys just can't give em up.
Really super comfortable sailing position but hard to get used to after using a flat boom.

Paul
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23690 posts
WA, 23690 posts
12 Jan 2007 7:12pm
Kelfy

Saw your reply in the underhanded post.. you said check out ya website? Nothing on your profile?

what is the URL? and if the web doesn't specify, price and who stocks them?

Cheers
Zed
Zed
WA
1274 posts
Zed Zed
WA, 1274 posts
12 Jan 2007 8:13pm
Well the hand position you have when using a Z boom isn't the optimum one for windsurfing. You need to be able to 'hang' off the boom which you cant with a vertical section of the boom. For example trying to exert mast foot pressure with your front hand in that position would be pretty hard. Gybing would be pretty awkward and also jumping. Maybe for flatwater it would be alright & might help with rsi, but really just a gimmick. The shape is not conducive to benefitting your sailing.
red
red
VIC
741 posts
red red
VIC, 741 posts
12 Jan 2007 10:41pm
Hey Zed.. ever use one?

I did when I started in the 80's and they were great. The main problem with them was when you changed sail sizes .. you need to swap booms as the "Z" was either too far forward or too far back for that sail size. My Z was a slalom (about 180-210) and when used on small speed sails the Z was to far back on the boom.

As for comfort.. best thing since sliced bread...

Ask one of the gun wave sailers (Dave Sheen) at the time!!
Zed
Zed
WA
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Zed Zed
WA, 1274 posts
12 Jan 2007 9:10pm
Nah never used one and I'm sure it's comfortable, but for windsurfing it's just not suitable. Maybe for straightline sailing, but anything else really you need a straight boom. Kitesurfing, waterskiing, wakeboarding all use a straight handle..
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
12 Jan 2007 9:49pm
quote:
Originally posted by Zed

but anything else really you need a straight boom. Kitesurfing, waterskiing, wakeboarding all use a straight handle..


You can't compare a WS boom with anything else, nothing else is raked across the body at an angle, that's the attraction of the z it takes out the underhand/overhand thing.
And you shouldn't be hanging off your front hand anyway, that's what the harness is for.
red
red
VIC
741 posts
red red
VIC, 741 posts
13 Jan 2007 12:00am
I think another selling point was that the head of the Z was high up on the mast giving you greater leaverage..
drjukka
drjukka
QLD
258 posts
QLD, 258 posts
12 Jan 2007 11:24pm
Hey Zed,

You should try one before you comment.

For all your arguments on 'position' and theory there will be someone who will are argue the contrary position.

Having sailed a Z boom - when they are right - they are really nice.

One of the big problems with a Z shaped boom is that there are 2 more bends/angles that introduce potential 'weak points'. That said they are still better than many current booms. (Carbon included!)

- J
Retrohboy
Retrohboy
NSW
11 posts
NSW, 11 posts
13 Jan 2007 1:35am
Hey GuyZ,
'Z's rule - I still use one and wouldn't go back to a straight boom - as far as gybing is concerned, it just takes a small adjustment of technique - it's all there in the promo video - which is old - but still funny... featuring Dave Sheen - he seems to have no issues using the Zed in the waves...
Hydrodynamix made mine with the new b oom ends - with the old 'lock-jaw' ends they were OK for flat water, but not strong enough at the attachment point for waves (I believe) - and as far as hanging off the front hand is concerned, I agree that doesn't sound right, there should be equal pressure exerted through the harness lines... anyway, with the new ends, they are rock solid - and the 'Z' section actually increases the the stiffness - not the opposite - and they certainly aren't any 'weaker' because of it... personally, I use mine mostly with a 6.3m Speed Slalom - and it works fine - but I'm a flat water speed freak - not into waves...
I think the only reason they nevva really took off, is that unfortunately the average sailboarder is like the average consumer - follows the pack in terms of what's popular, so Hydrodynamix always had an uphill battle promoting the benefits of the 'Zed' - however once used - u usually don't want to go back2 a conventional boom... at least that is the most often heard comment I got - I sold heaps of them... to both wavesailors and flat water sailors...
I say try b4 you make a judgement... they really are ee'Z'er on the forearms... and increase your power when hanging onto the boom when required...
Paul Kelf
Paul Kelf
WA
678 posts
WA, 678 posts
13 Jan 2007 11:28am
Zed, have a look at the photos on our home page and you will see a guy ripping in the waves.
He gives his booms a caning.
This guy also does board & sail tests for Planche magazine.
95% of the Z-Booms are sold to wave sailors, we even stopped making the larger size and get requests to cut them down to fit smaller sails.

Mark, none of the shops are stocking the Z-Boom at the moment.
WSP carried some stock a couple of seasons back hence the trailer on their web site.
We sell mostly direct because the customers are very few in OZ, mostly Europe & the US.
Nearly all the Z-Boom sailors in OZ have replaced their old ones now, some were up to 15 years old, so much for being weak at the bends
The radius of the bend is critical as to not cause any weakness through the bend and a lot of testing was done in the early days to prove the strength.

Check the web site for more info.

www.hydrodynamix.com

Paul
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
13 Jan 2007 9:20pm
yes the bend certainly doesn't seem to be a weak point in practise, over the 15 years my mate's had them, it's usually the rear extension that goes first. Making sure the holes are on top and not underneath, helps that problem.

I don't agree that the bend makes them stiffer though. A salesman tried that line on me once 15 or 20 years ago. Sure bends (as in corrugated iron and cardboard) make a sheet of material stiff in the direction of the bends but doesn't do anything at 90 deg to the bend. How it can make a tube stiffer is beyond me, all this misinformation around doesn't help anything!
Paul Kelf
Paul Kelf
WA
678 posts
WA, 678 posts
15 Jan 2007 12:29pm
Decrep,
I agree the bend in the Z-Boom cannot make the boom stiffer but running the extension upside down does work.
The only way we make the tube stiffer is with the heat treatment after bending.
We have a regular customer that does huge jumps and has been using our booms upside down for years.
When landing hooked in the downward force through the boom is huge and with the holes underneath you have a weak spot where the break can start.
In the old days Werner in Lano used our Enduro booms for his hire kit and he also rigged the booms upside down.
They learnt over the years that they were stronger that way for jumping on a Port tack.
North aluminium booms have the holes in the top of the extension I think, not sure why they do it though.

Paul



decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
15 Jan 2007 9:22pm
Yes, holes in bottom are in tension, holes in top are in compression, the later lasts longer. The only downside is water drainage ot of the extensions, but I don't think this is much of a problem as the boom is raked backwards and most of the water will come out of the last hole. With your foam filles extension, there isn't going to be much water anyway.
Nov in Gero I had to buy a new boom, I chose the one with holes on top.
Paul Kelf
Paul Kelf
WA
678 posts
WA, 678 posts
16 Jan 2007 11:47am
It's the opposite for catapults and that's when most booms are damaged, so holes to the bottom is most practical across the board.

Paul
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
16 Jan 2007 1:12pm
Hmmm... I don't think heat treatment will stiffen aluminium. As I understand it 'solution heat treatment' is done to reintegrate the aluminium after forming to relieve built in stresses and give it back its strength. Because the z booms are longer than standard they MUST be inherently less stiff. ie if you compared the stiffness of a z boom and a standard boom of the same length and tube diameter and thickness, the standard boom would be a bit stiffer. That is not to say that the z is not up to the job though. Small diameter booms are less stiff than standard diameter and yet they have a huge following and seem to work adequately, not for big sails though.
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