Which harness for wave sailing?

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nebbian
nebbian
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20 Sep 2005 11:04am
I've been bitten by the wave sailing bug, and it looks like there's no antidote, except to get some decent gear. My next purchase will be a harness, but I'm not sure which type to get.

Some sites say that for wave sailing you should get a chest harness, others say that waist harnesses ride up and become chest harnesses after a while, however in the windsurfing mags it looks like everyone uses seat harnesses.

Which harness is more useful? And don't say "It depends on your personal preference", cos I haven't tried any of them. I'm just after some input on what the more experienced wave sailors out there use.

Thanks for any input
shi thouse
shi thouse
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20 Sep 2005 11:17am
I use a waist harness for my wave gear and a seat harness for my slalom gear. My waist harness has never ridden up nor have I heard other people complaining, just make sure it fits properly. The chest harnesses come as a floatation device and may be a fairly good idea though (never used one).

leski
leski
NSW
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20 Sep 2005 1:54pm
not a seat harness for wave riding!
waist harness is what most people use, mainly because it is easier to hook in and unhook, you 'll also sail more upright which is better for manoeuvres, (seat harness are used for slalom as you need to pull down a lot with your body as usually the sails are bigger size compare to wave riding). Waist harness are also better for back support.
so there you go, all brands are pretty good , the Dakines or anything that has the same sort of design than the Dakines are perfect.

good luck

RAL INN
RAL INN
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20 Sep 2005 1:25pm
get a kite seat harness with a high hook position.

best winds
Tony L
decrepit
decrepit
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20 Sep 2005 5:57pm
The wave bug bites hard, I know, welcome aboard!!!!

I started of with a chest harness, but when I switched to a dakine "wave seat" I never looked back. This is really a waist harness but has a seat section, to stop any "ride up".
Gives much better sailing stance than the chest harness, and much better back support than a pure seat. I tried a seat for a while, and it gave me back aches, now sailing reduces and back twinges!!! (unless I get a stupid wipeout)
pole boy
pole boy
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20 Sep 2005 6:05pm
all the brands use a different model to base their waist harness shapes on so try a few brands to see what fits best. but agree with the waist for waves and seat for slalom/race.

poley
whyner
whyner
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20 Sep 2005 9:03pm
I have used all. They all work good and I sailed at the same standard with all three, comfort should be the biggest factor in your choice.
Seat eventually made my back sore.
Chest helped after that but also eventually made my back sore.
Now I use a waist and my back is better. But I have been stretching more so I really can't be certain it is my harness helping.

I guess that doesn't really help at all
Greenroom
Greenroom
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20 Sep 2005 8:07pm
prolimit kitewaist pro
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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20 Sep 2005 9:19pm
Seat is too low to get out of in a hurry (IE wipeout is imminent!)

Chest with flotation built in is a bad bad idea..... you will at some stage want to be under water to avoid a trashing (IE duck dive under and approaching wave after the aforementioned wipeout).

A waveseat as suggested above is good, however a waist is definately best. You'll see 90% of wavesailors in a waist. Many can be expensive, try a Flying Objects at about $160.

Sorry to hijack your thread but another q'n if anyone knows the answer.... why do kite chest harnesses seem to have more padding? They look waaay more comfortable. (Resisting the temptation to say kiters are gay and need more padding.... cos I've already had a go at Mr Slave today )
I seriously considered a kite harness last time I needed a new wave harness as they do look comfy
nebbian
nebbian
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20 Sep 2005 9:46pm
Wow thanks for all the responses! I'll go down to my local kitesurf shop and have a look at what they've got on offer there.

I haven't been able to find a windsurfing shop in the tweed/gold coast area, I'm sure they exist but I haven't been able to find one. I really want to see some of the new gear up close and personal, I'll even provide my own hanky to mop up the drool

Regarding flotation, I was out in the waves three weeks ago, and managed to get myself off the board right in the crash zone of some big waves, being a bit of a beginner this was quite scary and at times I wished I had some flotation. So you say flotation is bad? How do you waterstart without it? I haven't managed to waterstart without a foot on the bottom (so I guess you call that a beach start). I was thinking of rigging up some form of life vest so when the wave takes the rig for a ride and I'm left swimming over to find it I won't be struggling to stay afloat in the breakers...

Sorry this sounds so amateurish but I really value the opinions here.
RAL INN
RAL INN
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21 Sep 2005 6:45am
Kite harnesses are just built stronger, anyone who has used a sailboarding harness has usually destroyed it in quick time.

With kites, for 90% of riders they are hooked in harness 100% of the time. Compared to sailboarding where you are hooked in when it's easy to.

Therefore kite harnesses are built stronger and more comfortable.

I use a 01 Wipika pilot seat with a low hook position for flat water sailing, and a later 03 version that gives higher back support, double wrap lumbar belt, clip on leg straps, and a hook position very close to a waist harness. This harness actually works ok without leg straps done up. Both show no sign of wear.

A Mystic highseat harness might be worth looking at.

best winds
Tony L
Haircut 4000
Haircut 4000
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21 Sep 2005 8:06am
quote:
Originally posted by decrepit


I started of with a chest harness, but when I switched to a dakine "wave seat" I never looked back.


I don't know if a Wave Seat is the same as a Surf Seat, but I don't recommend you buy a Surf Seat.



Ive broken everything there is to break on this harness (including alloy spreader bar) and it's about 15 months old. It began to look like this after 4 months.

leski
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21 Sep 2005 12:15pm
well to me your last pic show even more that the way to go is a simple waist harness with good padding.
Waist harness are pretty durable as generally only the main strap may need to be changed.
to me it seems that if you 've got your ass in the middle of the harness you are just folding the thingo in two which would explain the crack on the side of you surf seat..

go WAIST HARNESS, Dakine,PatLove..etc..
bubbas
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21 Sep 2005 10:49am
What is the difference between the dakine thermoform and nexus? (except from the price...)
Haircut 4000
Haircut 4000
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21 Sep 2005 4:36pm
quote:
Originally posted by leski

well to me your last pic show even more that the way to go is a simple waist harness with good padding.
Waist harness are pretty durable as generally only the main strap may need to be changed.
to me it seems that if you 've got your ass in the middle of the harness you are just folding the thingo in two which would explain the crack on the side of you surf seat..

go WAIST HARNESS, Dakine,PatLove..etc..



That is the waiste harness. There'as an extra velcro bit that can attach to the bottom if you want to have something around your bum. Personally I don't use the seat bit, and it ended up looking like this just from using it as a waiste harness.

I reckon a good Kitesurfing harness is the way to go.
leski
leski
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21 Sep 2005 4:59pm
ok I see what you mean Haircut...
but that harness is still not a simple "waist" harness it go down on you bum.
as something like that
http://www.windshack.com/products.php?cat=accessories&scat=10&id=41
for example is perfect.

I personnally have the Da kine similar to the one you've ripped apart but the waist version (not surfseat) had it for 5-6 years and it is still goin (had the strap fixed 2 times )
Jakub
Jakub
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21 Sep 2005 4:50pm
quote:
Originally posted by drummond

What is the difference between the dakine thermoform and nexus? (except from the price...)



I think that Thermoform replaced NExus models.
I have got Nexus waist harness and am quite happy with it. It certainly doesn't ride up. Must admit I haven't done much wave sailing yet.

Word of caution to Nebbian: I am not sure you want to be in the waves if you can't waterstart...unless you like to drift
nebbian
nebbian
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21 Sep 2005 7:05pm
OK! I just got back from the kitesurf shop, bought myself an ex-demo Liquid Force waist harness for half price ($125 instead of $250), it seems quite comfortable and I was hanging off the rig in the shop, no riding up at all. Also got some nice line from Bunnings for the harness lines, I'd love to use the proper ones but no windsurf shop in my area means no proper gear

Jakub, yes drifting is my forte Although I've pretty much managed to figure out how to uphaul in between waves, the problem is when the wave hits me and the board stops moving, while I keep going forwards!

The harness should help though.

Thanks again to everyone for the input!
greenleader
greenleader
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21 Sep 2005 10:29pm
nebbi, look in the yellow pages under sailboarding equipment.
i'm sure you'll find a shop on the goldy that can supply you with some harness lines, instead of some clothesline rope!
decrepit
decrepit
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21 Sep 2005 8:42pm
If you can't find comercial lines, try and get some high pressure air hose, the hard plastic sort. If it's the curly stuff just use half a loop on each line. Protects the rope, and lasts a long time. If you have trouble with it swinging around to much, stiffen them up with some cheap plastic tubing from the hardwareshop.
rustle
rustle
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23 Sep 2005 9:46am
Surf FX is on the Gold Coast.
Ian is the guy who looks after windsurfing.
Haircut 4000
Haircut 4000
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23 Sep 2005 11:34pm
Heya Mr Greenleader. Has your partner in crime found himself a board yet? Areyou going to rejoin the rebel alliance too?
nebbian
nebbian
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23 Sep 2005 11:36pm
Geez clothesline rope doesn't last too long does it? One session and it's broken.

Blech!

Time for some proper harness lines, and perhaps a new board/rig to go with it...
decrepit
decrepit
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24 Sep 2005 6:20pm
quote:
Originally posted by nebbian

Geez clothesline rope doesn't last too long does it? One session and it's broken.



That's why you need high pressure line, but evem so clothesline would be a tad thin.
greenleader
greenleader
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24 Sep 2005 11:26pm
thanx haircut, so tell us a hint of what board and rig combination to use.
lets do it
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