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Gestalt
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7 May 2006 8:25pm
hello everyone. i have extended the locations the club will travel to. so an update was required. i will be posting some time this week to let all know about the next meet. also, due to popular demand the bbq will run all afternoon. i have some great outcomes for everyone.

in future the meets will be planned for every 4-5 weeks. 6 weeks is a tad to long. so we should get 12 bbqs for the year. as a reminder, everyone is welcome. windsurfers, familly and friends, kiters. we currently have 30 people onboard. the more the merrier so spread the word.

the new agenda....

WINDWANDERERS

Agenda

WindWanderers will endeavour to put the social fun back into windsurfing by uniting like minded sailors to sail at different venues between Noosa and Currumbin on a monthly basis. Events will be non-competitive social gatherings held at locations suitable for great sailing and a great family and social atmosphere.
It is hoped that joining sailors of all experiences together will raise the standard and fun factor for all involved.

All notices of meets will be posted on www.seabreeze.com.au/

Meets

Sessions will normally be held from 1pm - 4.30pm and include a bbq. meets are sponsored by industry retailers who provide the bbq at each of the session. the club will also endeavour to include at least one major event per year (xmas, easter) and seek to provide lucky draw prize gifts from windwanderer sponsors.

Suggested event ideas are as follows :-
Wave sailing sessions, Slalom blasting, Downwind Runs, Bump and Jump expression sessions, GPS street drags, swap meets, Learner Days by ayf accredited instructor, demo days and swapmeets.


Sailing locations

All Locations have the following resources available.

1. Lots of parking.
2. green grass rigging areas
3. sand beaches
4. bbq and/or toilets/showers
5. kids playgrounds and/or life guard patrols
6. local shops

Locations are listed below and will be selected by vote by the members in advance. Wind conditions and tides should be taken into account where applicable.

Gold Coast
1. Currumbin
2. Narrow neck
3. Shearwater
4. The train
5. Kirra

Bris Vegas
1. Wello (northern side)
2. Victoria point
3. Wynumm
4. Cleveland (raby bay)

Redcliffe
1. Sutton’s beach
2. Queens beach
3. Bells Beach

Bribie
1. Woorim
2. Bongaree
3. Bellara

Suneshine coast
1. Bullcock beach
2. Mooloolabah
3. Lake Catharahbah (xmas)

Bundaberg
1. Elliot Heads (easter)

North Queensland
1. Hamilton Island.


There is also some support for interstate travel to events such as Smackfest, Sandy point etc as well as weekend away trips. Numbers will make these ideas possible.


Note
Wanderer’s days will be planned around Windsurfing Queensland event calendars to allow those that like to compete to enjoy that aspect of the sport.
Wind Wanderers accepts no liability for incidents which may occur at meets. A waiver will be required to be signed upon joining the club. This club will be a collective based non profit organisation.

cheers to all
gestalt.
SurfConnect
SurfConnect
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8 May 2006 10:25am
Fantastic suggestions Gestalt. I think a GEARSWAP is a MUST for each and every meet. It will bring the whole community together, whether there's wind or not on the day. Last time we had like near 50 at the meet, only half sailed on the day.

How about Golden Beach at Caloundra? It's one of most popular flat water spots up there too hey.

For Lake Cootharaba events, you can always consider running it the day before a windsurf race day, so people can make an entire weekend up there?
mkseven
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8 May 2006 10:57am
Golden beach isnt so good anymore.

I'm in support of the cootharaba thing, very cheap camping up there and the racing is non gear oriented (lots of freeride gear is used) and very friendly- you dont have to gybe well etc.
NotWal
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8 May 2006 11:33am
I think Golden Beach should be on the list. The wind isn't as clean as it once was but its still a good flat water spot. And you can sail around to Happy Valley from there for some bumps. HV used to be fabulous at low tide with a good swell. I think the best wind was SE but not sure. I havn't been there for a while and it appeared to be filling in with sand. Dont know the current condition.

Cootharaba is a nice spot but a long drive. Still a WW meet there could provide the motivation to make the effort to get there once a year or so.
NotWal
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8 May 2006 11:34am
I think Golden Beach should be on the list. The wind isn't as clean as it once was but its still a good flat water spot. And you can sail around to Happy Valley from there for some bumps. HV used to be fabulous at low tide with a good swell. I think the best wind was SE but not sure. I havn't been there for a while and it appeared to be filling in with sand. Dont know the current condition.

Cootharaba is a nice spot but a long drive. Still a WW meet there could provide the motivation to make the effort to get there once a year or so.
vando
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8 May 2006 4:33pm
I dont think we should have a swap meet every time maybe limit it to 3 a year September, December and Febuary.
The lake is a long drive (2hr from bris) especialy for the goldy guys.Maybe a weekend thing.
elizabethb
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8 May 2006 4:53pm
quote:
Originally posted by Gestalt

Downwind Runs

Bris Vegas
1. Wello (northern side)
2. Victoria point
3. Wynumm
4. Cleveland (raby bay)

cheers to all
gestalt.



Hey mate Anyone else keen on a d'wdiner from Cleveland Point to Wello
Haircut
Haircut
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8 May 2006 5:13pm
what wind direction is needed for that Libby.B? Is cleveland point where those man made beaches are, and there's a round about on the end of a groin/spit type thing?

H
Gestalt
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8 May 2006 5:46pm
hi crew....

we are definately on for caloundra. it is a pretty good spot with both flat water and waves at the same place. is a bit light in the impact zone and then picks up again on the outside. has some good speed runs as well and lots of sandbars for the less confident. the wind isn't as good as it used to be. as notwal said it works best in a SE but it can also work in a westerly. is very gusty in a westerly though. mooloolabah is the spot if the wind is N-NE.

i agree with vando that the gearswap is a bit much at every meet. there are other things to do like demo days, beginner lessons etc. the gearswaps do tend to attract more people as padi has said. but we have had a good run of swapmeets recently.

Mk, The Lake is on the cards for xmas. a long weekender type thing. i am hoping with numbers we can get cheaper accomodation. i was going to time it with the WQ races as well but will need to talk to them before we descend on there race days.

elizabeth and haircut. i have been talking with an uncomfirmed kite company about a downwinder. it is all very preliminary at this stage but they are keen to become a sponsor and also have a rescue boat. it will be more towards september at this point. love the idea. we were talking about queens beach to sandgate...a safer one would be ephram island to the train. the usual car thing needs to be worked out in advance. wello to cleveland/vicki point is a good one as well.

raby bay at cleveland is where the new man made beaches are. just north of cleveland point.
SurfConnect
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8 May 2006 7:43pm
Yes I am in for the downwinder! Queens to sandgate... have to watch the wind direction as well as the reefs tho.

A Gearswap a month helps keep the gear market healthy! These are very successfully run like every 2-3 weeks in the States and Europe. It doesnt cost anything, and will for sure draw a few buyers and sellers/browsers for the event. It's not as if it will do any harm nor draw any attention away from the WW meet in any case! At this stage we should open as many doors as possible to draw in as many as we can to the events.
vando
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8 May 2006 7:49pm
Cleveland to Wello is about a 7 km rum but beware lots of rock outcrops as well as oyster banks, know where to stop either.
prob wouldn't recommend it.
Wello to Wynnum might be a go 7.0 km as well
but no shore line to follow.
ta vando

Gestalt
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8 May 2006 8:00pm
i have another idea for the downwinder. doesn't require a boat only a 4wd and is fairly safe in the scheme of things. it is not tide affected either.

caloundra to woorim. the northern type of bribie to the southern tip
is a fair hike though....
Windblaster
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8 May 2006 8:13pm
Hey PADI,

Perhaps we should call you GEARSWAP PADI - every second post is GEARSWAP

MATE, time to PUT UP or SHUT UP about the gear swaps. 1-2 a year is fine, but every month - really!!! - this is just an excuse for people to run a business from the back of their car without incurring the expenses and overheads that the other businesses bear.

SE QLD is blessed by having a number of businesses that support the sport - all you are doing with your constant desire for gearswaps is undermining the businesses that support the sport.

Gestalt - good on you for organising a social calendar - shame it can't link in with Windsurifing Qld to form a truly great organisation that focuses on the competive and social aspects of the sport.

I agree with Vando - Cleveland to Wello sounds great - but may have problems - Wello to Wynnum is readily do-able for most sailors.

Windblaster

SurfConnect
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8 May 2006 8:48pm
Thanks Liz. Im glad someone can think outside the square lol.

I believe all the shops were also invited to participate. Pete from Caloundra Wind & Surf came at the last meet and had a great display of the latest wind & kite gear. It was great, and the more the merrier. They can even do demos and try outs, give freebies away, lucky dip draws, even give talks/lessons? I am sure many people would like to try the latest gear in the market hey.
Gestalt
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8 May 2006 8:53pm
hi windblaster,

there is no reason from my point of view why there can be no connection between the windwanderers club and windsurfing queensland. i am sure both clubs are on the same page. i am currently talking to them with regards your points. there will however be no competitive events run by the wanderers. the club is about social outings for like minded sailors.

As Da prez, i am very aware of the landscape in queensland. the club would not be possible without the support of the businesses both interstate and local. i also have a desire to mix it up and would hate to see the club turn into a carnaval. for this reason i will be limiting gearswaps. Gearswaps are not my focus. My focus is on new locations. fun activities and adventures with great people. there will however be gearswaps as some of the non shop owning members like them. it will be the choice of the sponsor if they want to or not.

all the members points of view are valid. padi is keen on more gear swaps. he is entitled to voice his opinion. padi has also given a huge amount of support so far.

that said, i hear you and understand where you are coming from. the club is not about to undermine those that would support it. it would be great to see you at the next bbq. if you have a stake in one of the local retail outlets then also let me know and i can see if there is an avenue for you to become involved on that level.

happy sailing all.
elizabethb
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8 May 2006 8:55pm
Anytime - Seriously people's manners sometimes, when they obviously appear to know nothing about the runnings of certain events or ideas really surprise me. Esp when it's coming from grown men. It's something I expect to see in my classroom occassionaly, not here!

BTW - If the Caloundra to Woorim one becomes a set date and event, I have a seat in your car Padi jks lol But I still have a seat
Rhys McClintock
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8 May 2006 9:36pm
dude gearswaps are mad as... gives you a chance to compare gear side by side, without some pesky shop owner informing you about the brand new RS-999999 or 4m long board or watever they got nowadays...
The shops sell the same gear for like $200 -$500 more expensive than what you pay in the private market... its doing YOU a favour, and maybe the shops will take a hint and stop charging so much for 2nd hand sails/kites and boards etc...

If youve got something to sell, Gearswaps are awesome,
if you want to buy, gearswaps are awesome,
if you dont want to buy and dont want to sell, then SHUT UP cos it doesnt concern you, go out there and ride your Bic Rap and NP Combat from the 80's...
keep fryin those chips at Maccas and you might be able to afford some of the shops gear once you turn 50...
Rhys McClintock
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8 May 2006 9:41pm
oh, and i vote we wait till one of those huge winter Southerly storms heats up... then we blast from wello to caloundra
SurfConnect
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8 May 2006 9:52pm
omg, wello to caloudra?!?!

then, last season i sailed with geoff from wello to moreton. how about we do that on a westerly lol.

btw, im glad u like gearswaps too! i bought a board and a sail at the last one, sold a base set, a sail and a mast too. It was great.
Windblaster
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8 May 2006 10:10pm

Hey ElizebethB

I think it would be wise if you got some of your facts right, and read some background information before you knock something you obviously know nothing about!

Really!!

I've been sailing longer than you have been alive and around the Qld scene for a while - long enough to appreciate that we get great service and some pretty keen pricing from the collection of businesses - if you think I am wrong on this compare the number of shops we have in Brisbane to Sydney or Melbourne.

I'm fully aware PADI was suporting the gearswap meet - but what is his motive - to supprt SurfConnect and his business or to hold a genuine gearswap?

Make no bones about it - Gearswaps are a market that has the potential to harm the local businesses - AND for the record I have no affiliation or initerest in any of the local shops.

Good on Pete Nitchske for loading up his combi van and driving down to Wello (how did he get so many boards into that van!!!) - yes I was there to see a mix of some very old to some very new gear being peddled about.

Let me state for the record. I support 1-2 gear swaps a year(Start and mid season - Sep and Dec would be good) - but not every meet - lets keep the WindWanderers as a social - not commercial event.

Gestalt, Glad to hear you support some gear swaps but not every meet. Look forward to catching up at the next meet.


WB
elizabethb
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8 May 2006 10:33pm
WB,

I’m Elizabeth as all my posts recognisably say. Would like to meet you one day or at least have a name I can use not this modern ‘cover-name’ thing? I’m slowly getting to put a name to a face every now and again at Wello and other spots. Might meet you there one day! or I might allready have met you!

and I didn't suggest or state anything about prices of sails or other businesses etc. :S

quote:
I've been sailing longer than you have been alive and around the Qld scene for a while


This is one of those stereotypical statements that means because you have years on me, you have wisdom, knowledge and experience to criticize my comments?!. I agree, you would have knowledge and experience on top of me, but it’s how you use this knowledge and experience that best services you.

It however doesn’t give you the credit to totally diminish someone’s comments on the forum without knowing that Padi was doing a gear swap out of the sake of yes, swapping some gear! There were kites, booms, masts, sails, boards, everything there, and from heaps of people. It wasn’t all from him which is I think what you seem to be getting at.

There is no harm in getting businesses involved, the Windwanderer club will still be a social event with the support of the businesses, and it would all help with advertising and everything. And before you suggest, I am not intending on getting any business I am with or aware or associated with into this, this is not why I am stating this.

Goodwinds WB
Elizabeth Bate - Wello Kiter
elizabethb
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8 May 2006 10:44pm
Either way - Bring on the SE'ly winds thursday onwards, a N/NE'ly would be nice too but highly unlikely, and lets all make the most of the windy times Goodwinds to all and to all a goodnight...

This lil soldier has her own class again tomorrow
Windblaster
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8 May 2006 11:10pm
Eliz B

Not meaning to diminish your input or to imply that cos (sic) I have been around longer than you that I can hammer your thoughts down. Every person has a voice and an opinion - you are expressing yours and I respect that. Far from it, my comments were only to point out that I have been around and am pretty aware of what is happening on the Qld scene.

I've also seen the many windsufing businesses come and go and have learnt that service, warranty support and price are all important in having a healthy business community supporting our pursuits.



To echo you comments - bring on the goodwinds - maybe some wicked westerlies! Might have to wait awhile for the NE/SE to start again.

If you are studying - as someone who has plenty of letters after his name - keep up the good work and you won't have to worry about Rhys and his fries at Maccas!

WB
elizabethb
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8 May 2006 11:43pm
About to hit the sack now, but just realised...

We've met haven't we WB? I'm positive we have now

Goodwinds - See you round

Elizabeth Bate - Wello Kiter
AUS154 Chris
AUS154 Chris
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9 May 2006 3:39am
On downwinders, For a long while I've thought about doing Manly to Redcliffe, but the logistics...?
nebbian
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9 May 2006 5:57am
I take it WindWanderers is not exclusively for sailboarders then? Kiters are welcome? If so, perhaps this thread should be in the "General Discussion" part of the forum? Or if it's for windsurfers only, perhaps this should be made clearer? Just noticed a lot of kiters jumping in as soon as the word "Downwinder" is mentioned...

Also, despite the reservations that some people have, I would like to see more gearswaps. I live 45 minutes from the nearest windsurfing shop, and extremely rarely have the time to go and visit. I've gone to that shop twice in the last six months, both times when I HAD to have a particular item of gear.
Gearswaps are a chance for me to see what gear is available, and also to see what the current state of the market is. For example, I was floored when talking to a friend on the weekend and he told me how much his new sail cost, I thought that they would be a lot more expensive than that.

I'm in full support of gearswaps, my vote is to have one every meet. You'll probably find that they will happen anyway, no matter what you do about it... someone buys a new sail wants to get rid of the old one, someone has some gear lying around that they don't use anymore, or someone like me is in the 'acquisition phase'

I suppose in the end it's up to Gestalt, if he's organising it then it's his decision.
Gestalt
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9 May 2006 11:09am
there is no exclusivity... as previously stated... all are welcome..

the kiters will become more and more a part of the club as time progresses. at first there is a lot to sort out... insurance etc. so i am focussing on windsurfers. i don't believe in the us or them concept.

about 30 percent of the people already a part of the club do both.
and most of the retailers involved cater for both....

the club is for like minded peaople.... that is the only membership criteria...

my ambition is to expand the club to 50 or more and cater for everyones requirements.

there is no catch or hidden agenda if you windsurf then great. if you kite then great. if you don't do either then that is also fine. it is a social club after all. don't forget solo sport soloed together.

with all the bickering how are you guys going to react when we go go-karting.....
mkseven
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9 May 2006 12:00pm
Guys leave WQ out of your bickering, each is their own seperate thing. Justin lake races are not WQ so you are best off speaking to charlie. I'm in support of caloundra, not so much golden though.

Yes Padi has had some issues in the past with local shops and unfortunately WQ since those shops where paying sponsors, they felt Padi was running his own agenda. Since parting ways Padi is entitled to do whatever the hell he wants and if he can use Wanderers as part of his master plan then so be it. Both Padi and the shops have their good and bad points, take these into account when purchasing.
junior freestyle
junior freestyle
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9 May 2006 12:17pm
gearswaps r great n we should hav one every month
also padi has helped me sell loads of gear in the past so i can have what i have now. padi never even made a buck.

windblaster, shut the f*** up about rhys frying chips. for all I know, u might b the one on the doll n cant afford new gear.
rhys is stil in high school if u didnt know
Haircut
Haircut
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9 May 2006 12:29pm
gear swap once a week I say

is it still possible to sail at golden beach? Last time i was there the runs were so short it was like sailing in a puddle, and even worse than the train. Have they dredged the area out again or something. I definately second the Happy Valley (river mouth) idea. Heaps of fun there
SurfConnect
SurfConnect
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9 May 2006 1:40pm
Thanks MK7 for your clarification. I do not have any issues with any of the shops. I just do not understand some of their business objectives, one shop in particular. Yes, perhaps the word ‘objectives’ does not exist in their books lol. That’s probably why they say they are in the business not for the money. Hang on, business, no money? What are they there for then rofl.

As for WQ, it was me who drew up the business plans 2 years past, and pulled all the shops together and sponsored WQ, something which hasn’t been possible or seen for years. WQ was heavily involved with one particular shop so most other shops didn’t want to get involved. Many of you may have seen the banner I made for WQ where every shop logo was on it. It was celebration time. I also organised Brisbane events linking with the Surf Club I was with, providing club house facilities, safety boat, BBQ…. They were much enjoyed. I even did the newsletter, put together membership packs proposal, flyers/calendar print outs, we even produced a top quality WQ T-shirt.

As for Surfconnectdotcom, I resigned from WQ before I even had the website up and running. So how could I been biased? Not one single event I ran for WQ during the time had any personal agenda contained within. My time at WQ was purely to help promote the sport and help raise the profile, which I think I did extremely well. Certainly the appraisal I received from trade as well as public was totally overwhelming.

Most people know and they do list their gear at my site to sell now. No fees in anyway has ever been charged. Just happy to help others, and I have helped heaps of people find buyers for their gear, and sourced loads of cheap gear for many too - you included MK7.

Windsurfing is not on my agenda to be money making - not yet anyway lol. Helping others in the community buy and sell gear, teaching them to windsurf, will only help the sport reach a higher profile. Guys like Junior Freeride was on a cracked glassboard only a season or two ago. I found him 2 slalom boards for $100 and look at him now, he has progressed so much, sponsored by his local shop, riding 2006 gear. He came 3rd in the Tabou event last month. Top junior rider on the Goldie at present. There's nothing more rewarding in seeing someone you helped succeed.

I have no master plans as such as yet MK7. But I can assure you, when I do, it will be heard.

Meanwhile, I will keep enjoying what I do, bagging and pole dancing, GEARSWAPPING and be careful MK7, I am getting some good air now. Wont be long before I can jump over ya lol.

If WW decides not to include gearswaps in their agenda, it is totally their decision. I will organise one once a month no probs, as I am confident this is where the demand lies.

Gesalt, yes, MK7 is correct, the races at the lake are run under the sailing club with Charlie because of liability issues. But it will be good if WW works alongside with WQ. As long as there's no conflicts of interests, there's no reason why WW & WQ cant join force, WW on Saturday, converting its members to race on Sunday with WQ, and vice versa. Get the shops involved, demos, free barbies, parties at night - imagine what a fantastic weekend it would be!
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