Windsurfing and Ageism??

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hardie
hardie
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18 Jan 2008 9:14pm
Some people seem to want to make a negative out of the age of the older windsurfers who practice our beautiful sport.

For starters, windsurfing is something that can be done across all ages from children, adolescents, young adults, middle-aged adults, older adults, and the elderly. How can a value judgement be put on this, other than there seems to be something for everyone. Depending on where you live, and the local conditions, you will see different ages of windsurfers practicing their favored version of it.

We would probably all have no issue with children up to young adults windsurfing, but some on this forum, seem to have an issue with middle-aged and older people having a sport they enjoy?? Usually these people that have an issue with age, are concerned with image and somehow have a negative correlation with anything a middle-aged person or older adult would be interested in. Some of this has to do with the need of one generation to differentiate itself from the previous generation which is totally understandable. Some of it has to do with those that have experienced harshness, abuse, or neglect by their older generations, and they have a strong desire to rebel, this is also entirely understandable. But let’s see it for what it is, and the one thing it is not, is the Wisdom of the world about what is good or bad in it.

Being young has so many advantages to it it's not fair, but I had my time, and made the most of it. Sometimes I wish I could be young again with all that energy, young body, good looks, but with all the wisdom that I have today. Being young is great!!!!!!! But unfortunately life doesn't work that way. It's a bit cruel really that just as you start to get it, your body starts giving up on you.

However, since when did the younger generation become the holder of wisdom in any culture, that's the reward you get for ageing? The wisdom of a culture is usually held by the older generations, a fact not always acknowledged or appreciated by the younger generations. If I had a problem in life, I certainly wouldn’t seek out a 20yo for advice, maybe someone a bit older and wiser than me. But I love the enthusiasm, energy, fresh thinking, and vitality of the younger generations, they are the future!!!!!

Surely people of intelligence and life experience can make a choice for themselves how they should wish to practice their lives, is this not Australia in the 21st century, or are we in North Korea or some Stalinist type regime, where we are told what we can and cannot enjoy???. Are these choices to windsurf by the elders, not made by people who have experienced a feeling when practicing windsurfing, something they experience within their souls. Can they not choose to trust this feeling?

Maybe there is something fundamental about windsurfing for the middle-aged and older. That it is a difficult sport, that it requires high levels of technique, and that cognitive and muscular skeletal co-ordination are utilized and honed, that it does strain the muscular skeletal system strengthening it and increasing bone density, , that it does produce adrenalin, that in males it does increase testosterone production, and possibly a hormonal effect in females as well? Maybe more and more middle-aged and older people will do the sport, ….. does this make it a bad thing? Only for those that need to differentiate themselves from the older generations I geuss. Coz really it’s all good. As they say viva la difference
Gestalt
Gestalt
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14968 posts
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18 Jan 2008 10:19pm
i can't wait till i'm older and retired.

i'll be on the water every day of my retirement.

more power to those with the knowledge and the time.
stribo
stribo
QLD
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18 Jan 2008 10:20pm
That heavy...ya old fart
decrepit
decrepit
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18 Jan 2008 9:21pm
Wow hardie, who rattled your cage?????

I totally agree with what you say, but haven't experienced any of this ageism you talk of. And if anybody's going to cop it surely it would be me???
hardie
hardie
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18 Jan 2008 9:22pm
decrepit said...

Wow hardie, who rattled your cage?????

I totally agree with what you say, but haven't experienced any of this ageism you talk of. And if anybody's going to cop it surely it would be me???



You inspire me, I wanna be as good as you, when I'm your age!!!!!!!!
Richiefish
Richiefish
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18 Jan 2008 10:29pm
wise words of wisdom o crusty one....(one must earn ones crust)
decrepit
decrepit
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18 Jan 2008 9:49pm
AH, now I see, hadn't read that other thread.

Don't think we need to take much notice of stuff like that.

I gave an 8yr old girl her first windsurf lesson this arvo, sail too big, wind too strong, and chop too big. But she was determined to uphaul that sail and at least grab the boom, kept at it for ages, laughing as she repeatedly fell in. Only managed to touch the boom once, but seems keen to try again on a much lighter day.
This sort of attitude will keep windsurfing strong and I'm sure she isn't completely unique.
hardie
hardie
WA
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18 Jan 2008 9:54pm
decrepit said...

AH, now I see, hadn't read that other thread.

Don't think we need to take much notice of stuff like that.


Just had one of those days, too much time on my hands, all planned activities for the day went out the window, so I got into internet forums, you should see what I did on Westozwind

I gave an 8yr old girl her first windsurf lesson this arvo, sail too big, wind too strong, and chop too big. But she was determined to uphaul that sail and at least grab the boom, kept at it for ages, laughing as she repeatedly fell in. Only managed to touch the boom once, but seems keen to try again on a much lighter day. Cool who was itThis sort of attitude will keep windsurfing strong and I'm sure she isn't completely unique.


akhawk
akhawk
WA
1085 posts
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18 Jan 2008 9:58pm
I met a bloke the other day at pelican point who started windsurfing at the age of 50 and he's now been sailing for 22 years. This guys my hero! I'm nearly 32 and if I can be doing what he's doing at 72 I'll be stoked!
stribo
stribo
QLD
1628 posts
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18 Jan 2008 11:07pm
There is an old euro that comes to lano every season callled Vlademere.He must be in his late 70's he can't see a damn thing and he's a danger to other water users...But hey respect... we all know and he is a stoked as the rest of us
I hope i can still saill like that when i'm his age
decrepit
decrepit
WA
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18 Jan 2008 10:08pm
hardie said...

. Cool who was it


Young lady who shares the school bus with your daughter. Father's a dentist.

Enough clues????
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
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18 Jan 2008 10:25pm
hardie said...

decrepit said...

Wow hardie, who rattled your cage?????

I totally agree with what you say, but haven't experienced any of this ageism you talk of. And if anybody's going to cop it surely it would be me???



You inspire me, I wanna be as good as you, when I'm your age!!!!!!!!



I thought you and Decrepit was same age, Decrepit told me you both just turned 21 you may look a tad worn, but unlike most, you an him, its been all off road, bush tracks, no black tar running for you two
An Decrepit, 7 Y.O granddaughter just starting on learning curve as well
My kids cant believe I am that patient
pweedas
pweedas
WA
4642 posts
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18 Jan 2008 10:31pm
Well I think it's because everybody knows old folk are useless and can't do anything.

And I learnt that off Abe Simpson so it must be true.
pweedas
pweedas
WA
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18 Jan 2008 10:52pm
Oh, I'm sorry.
I'm so ashamed....
I don't know what came over me.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
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18 Jan 2008 10:55pm
pweedas said...

Oh, I'm sorry.
I'm so ashamed....
I don't know what came over me.



Maybe your reflection?
elmo
elmo
WA
8895 posts
WA, 8895 posts
18 Jan 2008 10:56pm
hardie said...

Some people seem to want to make a negative out of the age of the older windsurfers who practice our beautiful sport.

For starters, windsurfing is something that can be done across all ages from children, adolescents, young adults, middle-aged adults, older adults, and the elderly. How can a value judgement be put on this, other than there seems to be something for everyone. Depending on where you live, and the local conditions, you will see different ages of windsurfers practicing their favored version of it.

We would probably all have no issue with children up to young adults windsurfing, but some on this forum, seem to have an issue with middle-aged and older people having a sport they enjoy?? Usually these people that have an issue with age, are concerned with image and somehow have a negative correlation with anything a middle-aged person or older adult would be interested in. Some of this has to do with the need of one generation to differentiate itself from the previous generation which is totally understandable. Some of it has to do with those that have experienced harshness, abuse, or neglect by their older generations, and they have a strong desire to rebel, this is also entirely understandable. But let’s see it for what it is, and the one thing it is not, is the Wisdom of the world about what is good or bad in it.

Being young has so many advantages to it it's not fair, but I had my time, and made the most of it. Sometimes I wish I could be young again with all that energy, young body, good looks, but with all the wisdom that I have today. Being young is great!!!!!!! But unfortunately life doesn't work that way. It's a bit cruel really that just as you start to get it, your body starts giving up on you.

However, since when did the younger generation become the holder of wisdom in any culture, that's the reward you get for ageing? The wisdom of a culture is usually held by the older generations, a fact not always acknowledged or appreciated by the younger generations. If I had a problem in life, I certainly wouldn’t seek out a 20yo for advice, maybe someone a bit older and wiser than me. But I love the enthusiasm, energy, fresh thinking, and vitality of the younger generations, they are the future!!!!!

Surely people of intelligence and life experience can make a choice for themselves how they should wish to practice their lives, is this not Australia in the 21st century, or are we in North Korea or some Stalinist type regime, where we are told what we can and cannot enjoy???. Are these choices to windsurf by the elders, not made by people who have experienced a feeling when practicing windsurfing, something they experience within their souls. Can they not choose to trust this feeling?

Maybe there is something fundamental about windsurfing for the middle-aged and older. That it is a difficult sport, that it requires high levels of technique, and that cognitive and muscular skeletal co-ordination are utilized and honed, that it does strain the muscular skeletal system strengthening it and increasing bone density, , that it does produce adrenalin, that in males it does increase testosterone production, and possibly a hormonal effect in females as well? Maybe more and more middle-aged and older people will do the sport, ….. does this make it a bad thing? Only for those that need to differentiate themselves from the older generations I geuss. Coz really it’s all good. As they say viva la difference



All this load of bollocks so he could avoid going for a sail.....again
pweedas
pweedas
WA
4642 posts
WA, 4642 posts
18 Jan 2008 11:02pm
decrepit said...

pweedas said...

Oh, I'm sorry.
I'm so ashamed....
I don't know what came over me.



Maybe your reflection?


Hey, that's me trying on my CJs which i have had in the bottom drawer since i was 14.
The amazing thing is,.... they are still just a perfect fit as you can plainly see.
I was thinking of wearing them down on the line up some time soon.
What do you think??
(I know I can depend on you all for a really discreet appraisal because you are all such nice people)
Krisiz1
Krisiz1
WA
331 posts
WA, 331 posts
18 Jan 2008 11:13pm
Hey Hardie. I can relate to your frustrations. Its been going on for generations!. In 20 years time a bunch of enlightened middle aged guys will be sitting around saying things like " remember the kite boarding craze back in 06-09. We thought we were so cool" (But hey, we all made mistakes when we were young and foolish!)
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
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18 Jan 2008 11:44pm
Gestalt said...

i can't wait till i'm older and retired.

i'll be on the water every day of my retirement.

more power to those with the knowledge and the time.


lol.
You are kidding, right ???

But getting older is better than the alternative.......DEATH.
If I was young, I wouldn't be wishing to get crusty in a hurry....
to be like most of these poor suckers on this sorry-forum.
lol.

ka43
ka43
NSW
3105 posts
NSW, 3105 posts
19 Jan 2008 1:57am
Sometimes we get pissed off with older people...................ya know what, Im gonna leave it there.
Some of the guys i sail with are well into their sixties and are just legends and go hard. But there are also the super negative ones who just whinge and whine.
Its all good, just surround yourself with POSITIVE people who dont wear you down and LG, lifes good.
ka72
ka72
QLD
586 posts
QLD, 586 posts
19 Jan 2008 8:57am
that in males it does increase testosterone production, and possibly a hormonal effect in females as well?

I'm not sure about the hormonal effect but I still cant get enough of windsurfing after 17 years, still get a great buzz
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
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19 Jan 2008 9:56am
waveslave said...

Gestalt said...

i can't wait till i'm older and retired.

i'll be on the water every day of my retirement.

more power to those with the knowledge and the time.


lol.
You are kidding, right ???

But getting older is better than the alternative.......DEATH.
If I was young, I wouldn't be wishing to get crusty in a hurry....
to be like most of these poor suckers on this sorry-forum.
lol.




your right!

actually i just want to retire. now.......
choco
choco
SA
4186 posts
SA, 4186 posts
19 Jan 2008 11:39am
I plan to work full time when i'm in my 60's so for the time being i'm going to enjoy being fit and healthy and doing the things that i enjoy.
Herbylyn
Herbylyn
QLD
214 posts
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19 Jan 2008 11:20am
Well, at the risk of being accused of bragging ...i am going on 72. I never notice any hostility to me because of my age. A few of the younger sailors get a bit p.....ssed off because they can't catch me. My only whinge is there has been no wind this year up here.
On the subject of wisdom....well maybe we do get wiser as we get older but it is a terrible price for wisdom.
pepe47
pepe47
WA
1382 posts
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19 Jan 2008 10:26am
There's a show on Aunty, called "Grumpy old men", which was hilarious until I found myself agreeing with them
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
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19 Jan 2008 12:29pm
i love grumpy old men....

i'm 35 and i agree with them.
mr love
mr love
VIC
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19 Jan 2008 2:20pm
Sorry , This is probably a bit out of context , but it does relate to age and windsurfing . I came across a news item on the Lorch website about a guy who is teaching young poor kids in Capetown how to windsurf . Got me thinking that something like that could be done here , maybe through Police youth groups or the like . I would be interested in peoples thoughts , especially the "crusty's"on how an idea like this could be done.

By the way I,m 49 but think I am 19 !!!

http://www.lorchboards.de/News-Single.142.0.html?&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=200&tx_ttnews[backPid]=6&cHash=a6ad7d2bb5

Maybe some of us can share that wisdom we are boasting about !!

Regards Martin
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
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19 Jan 2008 1:14pm
Herbylyn said...

A few of the younger sailors get a bit p.....ssed off because they can't catch me.


Well said Herb!!!

So the lake's been a bit quite this year???
porka
porka
WA
160 posts
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19 Jan 2008 3:08pm
mr love said...

I came across a news item on the Lorch website about a guy who is teaching young poor kids in Capetown how to windsurf .


Windsurfing is the cause of my poverty
Wouldn't have it any other way. I'm sure those kids will be stoked.
jp747
jp747
1553 posts
1553 posts
19 Jan 2008 7:24pm
now that hardie said it i thought i was in my early 30's how i wish i started at 15am contemplating of having a lower back massage earlier! i've stretched it and done crunches but same back pain persists...i bow down to the almighty herbylyn dammn! at 72! wow!! i wonder if herby's wifey can still take in stride..just kiddinam 43 turning a notch and can't stop the clock and feeling the effects but mind over matter is what keeps me goin' am aching in the wrong places of all things but i've become wiser to say the least to accept at times the moves i used to do 10yrs. agoi wonder who the youngest sailor or kiter is in this forum anyone knows i gotta quote the great Dunkerbeck "if this sport was easy, everyone would be doing it"
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
19 Jan 2008 9:57pm
jp747 said...

i gotta quote the great Dunkerbeck "if this sport was easy, everyone would be doing it"


Zakary Johno, and that's why the Zy's keep throwing up malarkey in this forum, cos they ain't yet worked out how the rest of us figured out firstly the stamina and secondly shear determination to stick at until we got it, and finally the attention span of some of those Zy's rabbeting on is something to behold
Now hang about a second, "FLAME SUIT ON"

Righto Zy's into it
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