Windsurfing at Pinnaroo

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Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
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1 Nov 2006 10:56pm
Hey Guys,

For ages the sailboarders have been rigging and riding from the first walkway from the toilet block and the kites have been up on the point. Last year a spokesperson from the sailboarding fraternity even had a stern chat with the kiters to ask them to stay upwind from the sailboards which was a decent request and most people adhered to this unless by circumstance could not.

Recently there have been a bunch (6) sailboarders who are rigging near the gate to the beach and are riding in amongst the kiters. Nobody minds them riding with us as long as everyone accepts the risks and we are all having fun.

However, these sailboarders go out for one run and then come back and plop in the water along the beach and sit around chatting amongst themselves for 10 minutes whilst newbies from the school try and negotiate a bodydrag around them and local experienced kiters come in and gybe or come in or away from the beach.

Pinnaroo Point, for the most part, is a beach for learner kiters and a few good locals, having sailboards all along the waters edge and on the beach along the water, presents a serious hazard to all with fins pointed up with the boards upside down on the beach. We even had a guy come racing in flat out directly at a lady bodydragging under instruction and turn away 15 metres before her and sailed past with 6 feet at high speed. This is not the go, she was freaked.

We have asked for two days now for sailboarders to rig and launch from downwind at the walkway and ride amongst us by all means, but do not stop in the middle of kite central for a chat.

We respectfully ask that they move further downwind to avoid a collision or some form of accident with a kiter or learner.


Thanks for your cooperation and good winds,




NathanReeves
NathanReeves
WA
61 posts
WA, 61 posts
2 Nov 2006 8:46am
I was thinking everyone is getting on well, what ever board of choice.

Just a thought, why don't kitesurfers go downwind to the walkway,and the learners downwind even further. Then we are all relatively safe.
Seems back to front at pinneroo having the learners the most upwind of everyone else, all set to clean everyone out.

The windsurfers like it up at the point as there seems to be less weed at times and cleaner wind when starting. I don't think that windsurfers should be penalised for being on the beach having a chat. Everyone has to rest at times, and I am sure you appreciate that really.

Just a thought, no slanging wanted.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
2 Nov 2006 8:56am
Hi Nathan,

Thanks for the reply and your theory is good, however, our council and CALM permits to operate says we must stay up on the point from the dog beach sign down to the first walkway due to getting too close to the buoyed off jetski area.

As I said in my earlier post, no one minds sharing the water with the sailboarders, it's all good out there and there is generally no bad feeling either way, but is it necessary for 4 out of 6 to sit in the water all chatting after every run? I know the sports not that strenuous, I used to do it too. They dont have to go all the way down to the walkway, just a few metres downwind of the access roadway and there would be little problem.

After asking nicely yesterday, they moved further up into the frey. Don't know if this was deliberate or that some Euros dont know the difference between upwind and downwind. The weed should be gone by next week as the council has been raking the beach everyday for the last month and there is only a tiny amount of weed left in any case.

I'm sure it will all work out, just dont want to see friction start between the sports at Pinnas, we have all co-existed happily for years.

Good winds,



WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
7 Jan 2007 5:14pm
the problem is that the L kiters who can't stay upwind,slogg and drift down onto the windsurfers.

this happened saturday on numerous occasions and one kite dropped on a windsurfer and tangled.

every other crowded venue it's poles upwind bags downwind, it's just common sence.

Agree with Nathan --- huge wind shaddow for windsurfers downwind of the point, i don't think this affects kites with there 25m advantage.

simple solution jetski and poles sth of point, bags north of point.



lauriew
lauriew
WA
53 posts
WA, 53 posts
7 Jan 2007 6:10pm
I agree with windy miller. kites should be downwind however if the council has put them up there then there needs to be a downwind limit for the learners to keep them away from the windsurfers. Almost had my wife who was swimming taken out by a learner yesterday, he dropped his kite about 2m from her with no warning. He got a right earful and was lucky he didn't get a serious punch in the head. I suggest the kite school move their learners further upwind of the kite area and stop sending their body dragging learners down through the windsurfing zone. If you stop sending your high liability learners downwind of the point I reckon we can stop sailing upwind of the point. You guys really need to understand that unlike windsurfing your learners can really injure people and they should not be learning amongst experienced windsurfers and general beachgoers.

L
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
7 Jan 2007 7:33pm
Agree with Windy Millar and Lauriew, this area is starting to look like a knackery of late with kite dragging learners (not yet up on boards and being instructed by instructors) trolling across the normal windsurfing area. Mix this with the novice windsurfing people like me and if we are all not careful, some unfortunate is going to end up looking like this board board.www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=3088

Not saying windsurfers don’t move into kite area either, they do, but teaching kiters in among windsurfers

Surely the least that can kick harmony and safety off, is the kite instructors who are there most days, can assist by directing their charges on which area they need to be learning at for safety reasons.
Mineral
Zed
Zed
WA
1274 posts
Zed Zed
WA, 1274 posts
7 Jan 2007 9:19pm
Well I see your point, but 4 or 5 guys sitting on their boards in the water shouldn't be a problem. If it is then you need to adapt and take your learners further upwind or preferably downwind of the windsurfers. I don't sail Pinnaroo much but on the odd occasion I have I have nearly hit 'bodydraggers' as they pootle on downwind through the windsurfers. We all need to live together, but kiteboarding is so much more intrusive (for lack of a better word) than windsurfers beginners or advanced and so I think if anyone is going to be inconvenienced then it should be kiters.
nissa1
nissa1
WA
59 posts
WA, 59 posts
8 Jan 2007 1:27pm
guys, after having had a kite drop in front of me causing quite a stack... i am now serieously having to consider carrying a small diving knife to be used when tangled in the strings of the kite. they caused some major damage.
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
10 Jan 2007 9:53am
yep..as soon as those lines touch any part of your sail - wave goodbye to your stitching.....

imagine what it could to to your limbs
TimB
TimB
WA
260 posts
WA, 260 posts
10 Jan 2007 10:29am
I think everyone needs to calm down and be a bit more considerate of people learning.

We have all been there, be it windsurfing or kiting and it is a right bastard learning at times and staying in control is sometimes not an option. That said any school needs to ensure that they teach their students good manners on the water and where to keep clear of.

There seems to be a lot of people on the forum that like to talk up how good they are but seem to be unable to sail around a situation that might come up. Why not just sail around someone learning and keep clear. Be they a kiter or windsurfer. Learns are usaully close to the beach, in one area and easy to avoid. Not every run in and out from the beach needs to be perfect.

This goes for windsurfing learns as well.
lauriew
lauriew
WA
53 posts
WA, 53 posts
10 Jan 2007 12:04pm
TimB,

I challenge any windsurfer from Bob to Robby to avoid being hit by a kite that appears from 50m to windward in a matter of seconds as its user gets launched and then plummets into the water from above at about 80km/h. I can sail my way round just about anything but the kites of learners can travel enormous distances very quickly. BTW its not just about windsurfers its about beach users too, you can only swim so fast.
I think really its about the instructor at Pinnaroo having some discipline about not allowing his learners to sail so far downwind, he needs to be careful because will be held liable if there is an accident.

L
Zed
Zed
WA
1274 posts
Zed Zed
WA, 1274 posts
10 Jan 2007 5:43pm
We could always chum the water, that would reduce the amount of learners bodydragging at Pinnaroo..
whippingboy
whippingboy
WA
1104 posts
WA, 1104 posts
11 Jan 2007 5:20pm
I find my knife quite handy, works on craypot lines as well
mike
mike
WA
75 posts
WA, 75 posts
12 Jan 2007 1:38am
I totally agree lauriew. Kiters need a real kick in the a##. They seem to have no idea of people around them. Sure, everyone has to learn, but not at the expense of someone getting hurt. Do you learn to drive in a crowded carpark? NO YOU DO NOT!!!!!!!! It's not about kiters v's windsurfer. It's about having and brain, and more inportantly USING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Consider people who are at the beach swimming.

Besides arab's, I have never in my whole life met people as unconsiderate as kite boarders. They think they own the water. WRONG.
Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
WA, 7733 posts
12 Jan 2007 8:42am
quote:
Originally posted by mike

They seem to have no idea of people around them.



I thought that was one of the drivers behind kite surfing - look at me, look at me... I am a kite surfer, I am SOOOO cool
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