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racycoot
racycoot
WA
315 posts
WA, 315 posts
12 Jan 2006 11:41am
I currently ride a late 90's F2 wave board, similar to the one in the following pics.
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Mine's a 256cm 81L. What I'm wondering is what difference would I notice between this board and a brand new, say, JP or Starboard wave board? How have the boards evolved in the last 5 years? How does the feel of a shorter, wider board compare? I'm 170cm, 75kg (in case it matters).

I mainly sail at Mettams but occasionally at Pelican Point to keep my old man company.

(Also, if anyone can determine the year of my board from the pics it would be nice to know.)

Thanks.
hardman
hardman
1116 posts
1116 posts
12 Jan 2006 12:09pm
Depends on the type of JP or Starboard?

There are 2 basic styles these days: Wide Style and Traditional. What you have looks like a traditional. A more modern traditional, will be slightly wider and shorter, and lighter, so a bit more zing? These are still considered the best for down-the=line wavesailing!

JP has the Radical Wave and Starboard the Acid, now Pure Acid, I think?

The wide style boards, are wider and shorter again, better floatation/planing, and for more all-round conditions. In my opinion which doesn't count for much here, slightly easier and more user friendly? JP has the Real World Wave and Starboard the Evo.

Won't say too much more before the forum nazi's jump on me for having a personal opinion other than comedy!
hardman
hardman
1116 posts
1116 posts
12 Jan 2006 12:24pm
F#ck the nazi's I will say more.

Having read lot's of windsurfing magazine's and board reviews, What I have read indicates that in the traditional style boards, the JP Radical Wave always rates consistently among the highest and is always highly recommended, and in the Wider Style boards, the Starboard EVO 74, is always praised as the benchmark and the sweetest of boards.
Big Al
Big Al
WA
265 posts
WA, 265 posts
12 Jan 2006 2:09pm
I sail at Mettams & think that either the JP Realworld wave or the Evo would suit the place perfectly considering it can get a bit holey inside & it's not a real down the line style break. The difference you'll find between one of these new stlye boards & your F2 will be like comparing a WRX with a courier van (an old clapped out diesel one at that). I have a JP FSW which is spot on for me at Mettams.

In regards to Hardy worrying about the forum Nazis - keep doin' what you're doin' mate. You make the forum worth reading.

AB....
X-man
X-man
WA
325 posts
WA, 325 posts
12 Jan 2006 2:27pm
Your board looks like its the 99 model. A friend had one and was quite happy about it, just looked a bit heavy to me.
The new boards of the same style (traditional) are lighter and more radical (because of the emergence of the short/wide boards), more dedicated to real wave riding, I tried a 2006 Pure Acid and **** its a fast board!!!, a beauty for short turns [}:)].
The evo has a smoother feeling, but it's the 2004 world wave champ!... i think

Paul
Paul
WA
346 posts
WA, 346 posts
12 Jan 2006 2:58pm
racycoot
Your board is a 98 model, and 8 years old. There have been many changes since then. Mostly newer model boards will be shorter and lighter for a start. This gives you more control of the turning radius and control in the air on jumps. You will also be able to ride a smaller volume board for your weight (around 75 lts. The newer boards are more responsive to foot pressure and steering.

Most new boards are excellent but they are not all the same in the way they ride. You need to know what you want the board to do and the main conditions you sail in then ask those sailing around you what they use and why.
Like Big Al said some boards work better at some locations but also consider whether you want a controlled turning board or a loose skater style, a down the line or pocket wave style.

Coming off your f2 every board should feel easier to sail ( the f2 was a great entry to waves board) and you will get used to any style easily and qickly these days as long as you are realistic about the size you need and your sailing skill level. It is no good buying a perfect board for Gnarloo waves if you aint going to go there, or a board designed in hookipa maui if you sail one foot slop.

Paul
rosey
rosey
NSW
575 posts
NSW, 575 posts
12 Jan 2006 6:13pm
those f2's were good baords, jus needed an extra 5 knots or a another 0.5m in your sail to go like everyone else..i believe they were the plastic boards with the connection along the rails?..when you step onto a new fibreglass/carbon whatever board, you will notice a big difference in planing ability...jus a matter of choosing one
racycoot
racycoot
WA
315 posts
WA, 315 posts
12 Jan 2006 3:42pm
Ok, my next question is do the shops have demo boards so I can figure out what I like?
racycoot
racycoot
WA
315 posts
WA, 315 posts
12 Jan 2006 3:44pm
quote:
Originally posted by rosey

those f2's were good baords, jus needed an extra 5 knots or a another 0.5m in your sail to go like everyone else..i believe they were the plastic boards with the connection along the rails?..when you step onto a new fibreglass/carbon whatever board, you will notice a big difference in planing ability...jus a matter of choosing one


Yes, connections along the rails. Didn't realise it was plastic but now that I think about it, it's definitely a plastic skin. What's inside? Foam?
rosey
rosey
NSW
575 posts
NSW, 575 posts
12 Jan 2006 7:42pm
alot of shops have second hand boards for sale, and most will let you trial one if you are interested...
fish
fish
WA
155 posts
WA, 155 posts
12 Jan 2006 9:08pm
hey big al
are you steves brother???
JEZ
JEZ
WA
395 posts
JEZ JEZ
WA, 395 posts
13 Jan 2006 11:30am
racycoot
we at 2ndwind have a couple of fish, evos sizes and traditional wave sizes you can demo, just give us a call to take a ride.
Cheers
Jez
9317 2916
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23684 posts
WA, 23684 posts
13 Jan 2006 4:31pm
Racycoot,

It is not a "plastic" board in the traditional sense of a moulded polyethylene board like the old wally boards / Bomboras etc.

It is similar sandwich construction to new boards but with an ASA skin to make it more ding resistant.

They are however fairly weak compared to other boards of that era. The polystyrene core is made of "big balls" and is a low density styro compared to most. A lot of them didn't withstand serious jumping as well and most boards did.

Buuut if Josh Stone won a PWA wave event on one they are not too bad.

Get an EVO and you'll never look back.
Kremlin
Kremlin
418 posts
418 posts
13 Jan 2006 6:06pm
Don't worry about the evo Comrade, get the Jp Real World Wave
One board made for just about anything Huey will throw at you.
A little sharper through the rails with a bit more tuck see's it perform closer to a wave board than a freestyle wave cross over type board, while still being super forgiving
Don't get me wrong, the EVO is a slick bit of kit and was the benchmark for the new type of waveboard design... the JP Real World Wave just lifted the bar slightly

Dunedinite
Dunedinite
WA
184 posts
WA, 184 posts
13 Jan 2006 6:43pm
I'm riding the JP RWW 83 litre but was lucky enough to Demo the Mistral Synchro Fish of the same litreage a few weeks ago.
If I had my money again I would buy the Synchro.
Felt looser, faster and alot more fun compared to the JP.
But it depends on your weight. Heavy bloke might go the JP, I'm 67kgs.
Go see 2nd Wind, you might just love the Synchro!
rosey
rosey
NSW
575 posts
NSW, 575 posts
13 Jan 2006 10:29pm
anyone tried a 2005 rrd hardcore wave?
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23684 posts
WA, 23684 posts
14 Jan 2006 9:16pm
As far as traditional down the line waveboards go, you won't find better.

Maybe similar, maybe as good but not better

IMHO
ma
ma
NSW
375 posts
ma ma
NSW, 375 posts
15 Jan 2006 8:48pm
hey Dunedinite was the synchro the 2006 model? did you get it out in the waves? I was thinking of getting a fish board for lite wind days.
Dunedinite
Dunedinite
WA
184 posts
WA, 184 posts
15 Jan 2006 9:34pm
Hi Ma,
Yeah I had the Fish out in Perth Metro surf. It was nice in the mush. I liked the way it got onto the plan quickly, but most noticeably was how the rails felt thin and easy to lay turns through.
Certainly good for onshore waves.
Jumps sweetly but wasn't keen to go too crazy on a Demo board.
I think it's the 2005 model but check with Jez or Paul at 2nd wind about that.

Dunedinite.
ma
ma
NSW
375 posts
ma ma
NSW, 375 posts
16 Jan 2006 11:49am
cheers
Kremlin
Kremlin
418 posts
418 posts
16 Jan 2006 2:43pm
Yo ma,

what size mistral synchro are you chasing ?
I know where there's an almost new 2005 synchro 104 going cheap... I test rode it a little while back and it went great in the waves with little to no wind

PS see you at Nobbys next week if we get some wind... moving up the coast late this week !

K
mattressbuster
mattressbuster
WA
177 posts
WA, 177 posts
16 Jan 2006 3:58pm
Here is a mag test of the Evo 083 http://www.star-board.com/products/testresults/view_test.asp?Number=83

The 2006 83 Evo boards are hard to get in OZ now such is their popularity. The Evo 80 from 05 and 04 see review here: www.star-board.com/products/testresults/view_test.asp?Number=65 can still be got and the general consensus is that if you bias wave riding , looseness and top turns over jumps then the 80 will be your preferred board - although it does take an extra knot or two to get the looser wave rocker planing. FOr subplaning floating around and picking up waves - especially in cross off (think margies on a typical day) the two models are quite similar in mobility.

If you are a jump freak try and track down an 83 OR just go for an Acid - www.star-board.com/products/testresults/view_test.asp?Number=64 the 06s are ridiculously quick and deliver supreme mobility and height. Great for apparent wind driven tricks like shove its.

The Evo 74 (review here : www.star-board.com/products/testresults/view_test.asp?Number=63 consistently gets rave reviews too and many other brands get close but Starboard have the edge as , with Scotty driving , they developed the concept and have a seasons lead on the rest of the pack. Evo 74s can still be got brand new here in OZ - but not for long..

rosey
rosey
NSW
575 posts
NSW, 575 posts
16 Jan 2006 9:32pm
mark, were you talking about the rrd when you said you wont find better?
cheers
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23684 posts
WA, 23684 posts
16 Jan 2006 11:28pm
Rosey...

Yes. If you want a traditional DTL board the RRD Harcore is the shiziit.

ma
ma
NSW
375 posts
ma ma
NSW, 375 posts
17 Jan 2006 10:57am
Kremlin, 104L way to big for me. We had a sick day up here yesterday best day this season.
Yousurf
Yousurf
WA
165 posts
WA, 165 posts
17 Jan 2006 5:26pm
Was it 10 knots onshore?
ma
ma
NSW
375 posts
ma ma
NSW, 375 posts
18 Jan 2006 3:58pm
about 30kts ya knob
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