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mr plod
mr plod
49 posts
49 posts
23 Jan 2008 7:25pm
just got back from sailin trip. Had an awsome time but was a bit pissed to find a bill from the carhire company for $1500 BUCKS!!! due to damage to the vehicle. Now we're not talking about smashing the car here, we're talking about 4 little "rub marks" where the softracks we were using had rubbed on the top of the door jam!! Which they admitted could be buffed out!!
We did, for the record pay, the extra money to reduce the excess to $300 odd, but due to the damage being on the "roof" of the vehicle, the insurance is void and we have to pay for damage independently.
Has anyone had this crap pulled on them by a hire company? If so how did you resolve it?? I made one phone call to them and got them down to $900 and demanded photos of the damage. Which leads me to believe they are just tryin it on.
anyone had any experience resolving these disputes, I gotta tread carefully as they have already taken the money off the credit card and Im trying to get as much as I can back
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
23 Jan 2008 9:33pm
Was it in Australia?

aus301
aus301
QLD
2039 posts
QLD, 2039 posts
23 Jan 2008 8:34pm
I would be chasing up your bank to begin with and let them know there has been an unauthorised charge to your credit card, unless of course you authorised them at some stage to take the $900 (better read that rental contract).

I had this happen once, I simply put it back on the rental company to independantly prove that the damage wasn't there before I hired the vehicle. But in that case i know it wasn't something that happened while I had tha car and I was silly to not check the car out thoughly before taking it. I now go over them like I am about to buy it.

I think you are pretty much screwed, and the fact that you probably don't live anywhere near where the car is only makes it harder to resolve. So chase the bank on getting the $$$ back and then ask them to provide you quotes on getting the damage repaired, remembering that they will be charging you for not only the buffing of the car, but also any staff time and cost in getting the car to repair and the cost of not being able to hire the vehicle, so it will add up.

Realistically, they are not going to get it fixed at all and will prob just pocket the $$$.
bmanners
bmanners
WA
40 posts
WA, 40 posts
23 Jan 2008 8:47pm
Ask them to show you exactly were in the rental agreement it says the roof is not covered. I would also ask them to justify the $1500 ie send you a copy of the repair bill/quote.

I have heard of rental companies trying this sort of thing before - they seem to give it a go and see what they can get away with.

good luck
mr plod
mr plod
49 posts
49 posts
23 Jan 2008 8:53pm
yea it was in aust. When i got the car i had to drag someone out to do the initial inspection. went over the car and when I pointed out the existing scratches was told " oh, we dont worry about those, they are just surface scratches that just buff out, the general rule is that if it buffs out we dont worry about it, haha". But when I returned the car I was charged for the scratches that were existing that needed to be buffed out by a panel beater, a really well paid panel beater at that!!
I think next time I will make them document every scratch, piece of bird ****, and any bugs squashed in the grill, then get a jp to witness it.
Word of advise that I just learnt the hard way, dont trust these pricks for a minute
JayBee
JayBee
NSW
714 posts
NSW, 714 posts
23 Jan 2008 10:56pm
Overhead and undercarriage are never covered by rental insurance. Usually the contract also forbids the use of roofracks.

Not a lot you can do really, just tell us all who you rented from so we all learn from your lesson.

JB
Rex
Rex
WA
949 posts
Rex Rex
WA, 949 posts
23 Jan 2008 9:30pm
JayBee said...

Overhead and undercarriage are never covered by rental insurance. Usually the contract also forbids the use of roofracks.

Not a lot you can do really, just tell us all who you rented from so we all learn from your lesson.

JB



I never knew that, if excluding the roof then why not the bonnet!
latedropeddy
latedropeddy
VIC
417 posts
VIC, 417 posts
24 Jan 2008 12:11am
Me and my mates hired a car once on a trip to canberra, we paid extra to reduce the excess etc...
My mate - who was the nominated driver - reversed into pole by accident, we thought "**** happens" and agreed to split the excess to pay for the damage.
They gave us a form to fill out to explain how the damage occured which we did honestly saying "while reversing etc...".
Well they have this clause saying that you are not covered while reversing - we had to fork out $1500 to fix the damage! (after a court case etc..) And the whole reason for not taking our own cars was to save on wear and tear!

Another time we hired a brits 4wd to go 4wding - only to find out that you are not covered when off road.
Bunch of scammers!
JayBee
JayBee
NSW
714 posts
NSW, 714 posts
24 Jan 2008 12:21am
You would be sitting pretty oddly if the bonnet was overhead. :-)

The coverage restriction is because if you have overhead or underbody damage, the damage is probably serious (imagine the circumstances where you could incur this type of damage). I know some cars come back in horrific condition to rental companies.

Probably too late now...
Deny everything! what softrack? Never heard of such a contrivance! Windsurfing - not me, never.

And make sure you never load/unload a rental car at the yard, what is not seen can be disputed.

JB
Tonto
Tonto
SA
58 posts
SA, 58 posts
23 Jan 2008 11:59pm
Slightly off topic, but I got around this problem a couple of years ago for a trip to QLD. Arranged to hire an X-Trail in Brisbane, went to a local (Adelaide) roof rack shop and talked them into hiring me a set of racks for an X-trail for a week (cost well below half of purchase price from memory). Flew to QLD with racks as luggage, fitted them before we picked up the boards, and because they fit under clip-on covers in the roof rails, all was hidden after we removed them at the end of the trip.

Plan almost came unstuck when they tried to give us a Magna instead at the airport, but fortunately we were first in off the plane and got the XTrail.

Maybe an idea for anyone looking to avoid this kind of problem.
patsken
patsken
WA
717 posts
WA, 717 posts
23 Jan 2008 10:46pm
Here's the go ( may not apply for "roof rubbing") : take out travel insurance, which for me when I did a motorbike ride from Cape York to Cairns (9 days) and then flew to the Gold Coast for another 14 days to holiday with the wife and kids, cost me under $70. This will allow you to say to the car hire company with a big smile on your face that no I DO NOT want your excess insurance.

You can say that because most? travel insurance policies cover you for damage to hire vehicles used on gazzetted roads when being driven by the insured person.

My examples are 1: My mate on the Cape York motorbike trip hit a tree on The Frechmans Track and did about $400 damage to the bike ( beat himself up as well ) but because the trip was an organized tour with registered bikes that were effectively on a hire contract on a recognized road - for those that know the Frenchmans Track you can argue that it aint a road but even though you have to carry the bikes through river crossings and it is just a set of 4wd ruts it is a road - he was able to claim the amount back on the travel insurance.

example 2: On the same trip my 7 year old daughter decided to put her feet on the side window of a hired Tarago while driving up the Bruce hwy resulting in glass spraying all over the hwy . New hire car required and bill received later for $300 which went straight to the travel insurer which they "happily" paid.

Booking hire cars with Gold credit cards is also cost effective because they have insurance built in that is really quite good and can save you heaps if your trip goes haywire or you damage a hire car.

Hope this helps if your planning a trip in a hire car in the future......
mr plod
mr plod
49 posts
49 posts
23 Jan 2008 10:47pm
Im goin to contest the fact that the top of the door seal is part of the roof of the vehicle, which I believe is not. I'll see how I go.Ill wait to see the photos of the incredible amount of damage there is caused by a piece of webbing.
I also wonder how many people in the past they have charged for the same scratch on the side of the car, pretty good money maker for them eh
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
23 Jan 2008 11:48pm
mr plod said...

Im goin to contest the fact that the top of the door seal is part of the roof of the vehicle, which I believe is not. I'll see how I go.Ill wait to see the photos of the incredible amount of damage there is caused by a piece of webbing.
I also wonder how many people in the past they have charged for the same scratch on the side of the car, pretty good money maker for them eh


You will win on "fair wear and tear" tell them your prepared to challenge in court, as the agreed it will buff out, its fair wear and tear. Magistrate will rule in your favour, 99% of time.
They wont go through with it, as its too expensive chasing the coin. Soon as you challenge them and indicate your going legal they fall over.
Revhead
Revhead
ACT
372 posts
ACT, 372 posts
24 Jan 2008 12:57pm
As consumers, we are constantly faced with fighting ****e like this, its just plain wrong. the mongrels that dream up these ideas are worse than greedy children stealing in a lolly shop.
ka222
ka222
VIC
633 posts
VIC, 633 posts
24 Jan 2008 2:54pm
If it makes you feel any better I have some pretty funny photos of us jumping the hire car on the beach at the nationals in tassie! Actually maybe I should just delete them!! haha
Gonewindsurfing247
Gonewindsurfing247
WA
966 posts
WA, 966 posts
24 Jan 2008 1:13pm
You should do a Jackarse on them. Rehire a vehicle from them, trash it to bits, return it to them, pay the excess and walk out saying have a nice day!
windjunky
windjunky
VIC
401 posts
VIC, 401 posts
24 Jan 2008 3:16pm
ka222 said...

If it makes you feel any better I have some pretty funny photos of us jumping the hire car on the beach at the nationals in tassie! Actually maybe I should just delete them!! haha


Hey, what about the video (now DVD!) of MikeCK drilling holes in his hire van (hello ace hire cars in Perth if ya watching) then putting in plumbing screws to secure the door!!
Ok... the door had fallen comepletely off as he was driving along so he probably had rights to try and make it safe, but dude... seeing that was a classic. (And i believe they didnt charge him either... hiring out an unroadworthy van may have hindered things if they'd taken it further...)

Simon, looking at a van covered in screws: "I reckon just one more..."
mr plod
mr plod
49 posts
49 posts
24 Jan 2008 6:41pm
finally makin some progress. We are down to $700 bucks now after they took off the charges for the existing scratches down the full length of the car, agrand total of $150 for that one!! Can anyone tell me how 5or6 full legth of the car scratches can cost $150 dollars to repair then the 4 "40mm wide rub marks" we put on cost $1350!?! These pricks obviously make a habbit of trying this sh#@t on people.
Im not finished with these guys yet[}:)]
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