carbon vs ali wave boom

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ju_724
ju_724
231 posts
231 posts
7 Dec 2005 6:48pm
i've never even tried a carbon boom, the rich kids tell me that i'll never look back? My ali booms usualy last 2 seasons then normally explodes on a hooked in jump.

Are they worth the extra coin?

Will I be amazed at the differnce in performance?

Are they stronger? do the last longer?

Are the insanely f*&kin expensive ones really that much better then the just very expensive carbon ones.

I always try to buy new when it comes to booms but i'd rather spend that amount of $$$ on decent 2nd hand board and sails,

oh yeah, i'm thinking of the hydrodynamix Skinny RD Wave boom if it comes in ali?

Guru's of the forum, please shower me with your knowledge..



elmo
elmo
WA
8895 posts
WA, 8895 posts
7 Dec 2005 7:15pm
Having destroyed 2 (new)alli booms this year I got a touch dispondant.

As the replacement boom I was after wasn't in i borrowed a second hand carbon boom which I took up to cervantes for the recent event.

Did a rather stylish prang in front of the van (big big ouchs)as I collected and landed on the boom rather bloody hard it would have killed another alli boom.

I now have a brand new carbon boom, I'm sold.

yes you can also notice the difference in rigidity as well.

Hope this helps

Alby

Ps any one else need some destructive impact testing of gear, I'm your crash test dummy
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
7 Dec 2005 10:28pm
In the long term carbon will last more sailing cycles than alloy will. But it is an expensive test, I cant see carbon lasting the bash and rinse test over and over despite what elmo posted. 2 seasons aint too bad is it, just make sure you get a new one every year then even try different types... the stiffer the alloy boom the less life it will have generally (I always disliked HPL booms for this reason, they broke pretty often). Figure out why they broke, is the alloy not giving enough or is it through corrosion and then try to find a superior alloy replacement. Brands do change their alloy from year to year, chinooks used to last forever, they changed their alloy and they be lucky to last 3 years.

Carbon is a lot of money to chance getting broken on one big wave, but they are nice to use.
Troppo
Troppo
WA
887 posts
WA, 887 posts
8 Dec 2005 6:27am
I bought 2 carbon booms second hand about 3 years ago. i have used and abused them and they are still going strong. A guy that sails with me has been thinking of going carbon as well. After breaking his second or third alloy one in the same time i've had the carbons....i finally convinced him to go carbon.


GO CARBON OR GO HOME....with a broken boom.
kitingkook
kitingkook
NSW
109 posts
NSW, 109 posts
8 Dec 2005 10:14am
Ive just made the change to carbon recently and I wont be goin back.
Carbon booms will actually improve the control of your sail, when a aluminium boom bends in a gust the tail piece and boom clamp actually get closer so its like letting your out haul off every time the wind picks up. Carbon booms dont do this as they are stiffer. Ive had friends who have had fiberspar carbon booms for over five years every couple of years they may need new pieces such as boom grip or twist locks which are very in expensive to buy. And these guys sail hard!!! This is what convinced me to go to carbon, kept breaking ali booms. Although I purchased a fairly cheap carbon boom, got a Hypersonic wave I have no complaints with it, it does everything a boom should. Im not sure wether there is a big difference between expensive ones like chinook or fiberspar vs cheaper ones like mine.
NathanReeves
NathanReeves
WA
61 posts
WA, 61 posts
8 Dec 2005 8:43am
Yo Jules
I got a carbon about 4 years back and it definately is good if you can afford it. Saying that, get a good carbon as I seen some alu that are better than crap carbons. My carbon stays stiff over the entire range of sails so even with loads of extension, it still is stiff. I reckon thats the main adavantage, just one boom that is pucker for a good range. Would be lying if i said i think i can tell the difference though. The only think you notice is that its stiff. I got a carbon HPL. A big investment up front, but its still going strong. The only thing that is going is the clamp. The pin that works as the hinge. the hinges are plastic holes with the pin going through and the top 2 bend out of shape. Still works fine, but i not getting a bit sceptical when out the back on decent days. So i got another one, but HPL again. Thats how much i still rated it. I had a fiberspar carbon, with the twist lock and that sucked. It could collapse. And i seen other ones with a single pin lock that can still open up. The locking system on HPL is good, with 2 pins each side and the clamp good. Narrow diameter and takes a 6.2 without flexing. If you are gonna get one, definately definately spend the extra coin to get a real good one from a top brand. otherwise just get a good alu one. I have used a cheaper carbon from someone before and it was heavier than a north progression alu i used.
Take it easy.
NathanReeves
NathanReeves
WA
61 posts
WA, 61 posts
8 Dec 2005 8:48am
Can't believe you are up to 133 posts!! when are you up this way.
Paul Kelf
Paul Kelf
WA
678 posts
WA, 678 posts
8 Dec 2005 11:01am
Try both, a good Ali and good Carbon and then compare the cost and decide.
It gets down to how well you sail, how well you jump, how often you crash and what you deem important.
Wave booms do not change in length enough to affect sail performance due to flexing as they are very short anyway, race booms do!
If you see me at the river or arrange a time I will loan you next seasons prototype that I have been using up at Cervantes recently, this is the RD Wave Pro Monocoque construction but very similar to the current RD Wave Pro.
Alternatively if see Gazza around he has a current model on loan and I'm sure he would give you a demo.

Paul
Hydrodynamix
leper111
leper111
WA
108 posts
WA, 108 posts
8 Dec 2005 8:07pm
...dont touch carbon NP. Their crap.

Destroyed mine AT DUTCHIES on monday. Only bout 12 months old and broke in 3 places!!!

Keep an eye on photos- pictures on their way.
vando
vando
QLD
3419 posts
QLD, 3419 posts
8 Dec 2005 11:06pm
Stay away from the cheap alli booms waist of money.
I had a Neilpryde X3 didnt last a year, I now use chinook and never looked back.As for carbon booms I can still buy 2.5 chinooks for 1 good carbon boom.
Alberto
Alberto
WA
213 posts
WA, 213 posts
8 Dec 2005 11:17pm
Hey dude,
I have to stick my 2 bucks,
Tecnolimits Pro Custom in Ergal (Alu), better than any carbon below $750 and sometime above.
The last one I sold second hand it was at the N 8 season in WA and keep going, the grip was fine too!
One of the most preferred booms in the pro scene, it's just one of a kind.
Available in full carbon too.

http://www.windshack.com/products.php?cat=accessories&scat=10&id=53

Keep on rolling...

Have good wind&waves
Alberto

NathanReeves
NathanReeves
WA
61 posts
WA, 61 posts
9 Dec 2005 12:07am
Jules, I seen the booms Alberto is talking about. For sure I would get one of those if you are thinking of a new boom. They kick butt.
silvec01
silvec01
WA
645 posts
WA, 645 posts
9 Dec 2005 2:37pm
Im a fan of the NP x9. If anything goes wrong the warrenty is great.

I suggest that you go into WSP and have a look at one.

You will only notice the difference when you have used one and then retry and alu boom,.

Chad
rosey
rosey
NSW
575 posts
NSW, 575 posts
9 Dec 2005 7:59pm
when we are talking carbon, are we talking tail or whole boom?..also is the it 100%?
cheers
silvec01
silvec01
WA
645 posts
WA, 645 posts
10 Dec 2005 2:23am
The x9 is Full carbon, head to tail....
the x6 is alu front full carbon back end.

but generally a carbon boom is full carbon.

Chad
robbo1111
robbo1111
NSW
656 posts
NSW, 656 posts
10 Dec 2005 10:46am
Being an old school wavesailor I like the give of an alu boom. i use hydro booms and being under 70 kgs they tend to last forever. Also repairs are easy and replacement parts cheap.
I also use a NP carbon wave boom and as someone else mentioned they are crapola.
No doubt carbon is better for a race setup just buy a decent brand.
ju_724
ju_724
231 posts
231 posts
10 Dec 2005 9:18am
zoiks

i think i'm going to save myself a few $$$ and try a techno limits or the hydrodynamix - these two seem to be the pick of the crop for ali eh..

np get a bit of a slating, but i'm using the cheapo x3 at the mo, so far so good about 20 mths old, the only snag with them is that they don't fit skinny boom shims, so i had to get the knife out and trim it down..

thanks for all your input, this website is the best
Haircut 4000
Haircut 4000
QLD
340 posts
QLD, 340 posts
11 Dec 2005 12:08am
whatever u buy, keep away from North Progressive Comp model booms (including wave model) Most people who have owned these seem to agree that they are very poor (including myself), and I believe they are still available in shops.

Cheers
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