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jord070
jord070
WA
1109 posts
WA, 1109 posts
17 Jan 2007 11:52pm
i have been getting a few carve gybes lately, but i am not sure when abouts i should change my feet position, should it be before the rig change, or after, i have been watching people doign the gybes, but it is hard for me to tell when they change the feet. wich is the best way of flipping the rig without it trying to snap your wrists as you go for the other side of the boom,
thanks in advance
laurie
laurie
QLD
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QLD, 3902 posts
18 Jan 2007 11:08am
One of my favourite things is the carve gybe! Initially, it seems all about the foot and sail change, but there's so much more to it. I highly recommend any of the Peter Hart "Carve Clinic" where he breaks it right down and helps you learn it a bit at a time.

e.g. Take some time to practise getting your foot out on the leeward rail and getting a good carve happening - lean forward and in, bend the knees .. let the sail luff. Then when you've got that nailed, add the sail change. You'll know the right time because you'll be heading dead downwind.

It's great once you get it nailed!!

Enjoy .. Loz
easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
TAS, 2213 posts
18 Jan 2007 8:13pm
I've been pretty happy for a while now gybing from starboard to port and changing feet as i gybe the sail, but buggered if i could do it going from port to starboard. one day i accidently did a strap to strap gybe (change feet after sail flip and sailing away) on port - starboard, and it's worked since. so now i gybe totally different on the different tacks, and it seems to work well. might be something to do with the different sides of the brain, or i could just be weird. do whatever feels right and works.
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
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SA, 2898 posts
18 Jan 2007 8:12pm
quote:
might be something to do with the different sides of the brain, or i could just be weird.


I tried to bite my tongue.

Being a Taswegian, Easty, shouldn't that be "Different Brains"?
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
18 Jan 2007 9:22pm
Fark Tony that's the best laugh I've had all week
easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
TAS, 2213 posts
18 Jan 2007 11:40pm
yeah, guess i left that one wide open for childlike humour from water and wind starved central victorians. how do you manage to go sailing Tony, with petrol prices the way thay are?
Combs
Combs
WA
152 posts
WA, 152 posts
18 Jan 2007 9:51pm
The recommendation from good old Peter Hart is to change the feet just prior to the rig flip. This puts your feet in the right place to hold the board flat and immediately get into a planing stance on the way out.

In good conditions and if I am in a positive mood, I can generally get the carve gybe on both tacks. I have worried about the 'when' question myself, but in reality it all seems to happen at roughly the same time and if you don't think too hard about it, it just seems to happen on its own.
guycribb
guycribb
WA
8 posts
WA, 8 posts
19 Jan 2007 1:20am
Check out the latest carve gybing technique DVD that's taking the UK and Europe by storm-

www.guycribb.com/windsurfing_technique_DVD_0142v01item58.htm

RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
19 Jan 2007 9:39am
quote:
Originally posted by easty

yeah, guess i left that one wide open for childlike humour from water and wind starved central victorians. how do you manage to go sailing Tony, with petrol prices the way thay are?



Simple send my company broke via the fuel account.
Zed
Zed
WA
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Zed Zed
WA, 1274 posts
19 Jan 2007 9:49am
quote:
Originally posted by RAL INN

quote:
Originally posted by easty

yeah, guess i left that one wide open for childlike humour from water and wind starved central victorians. how do you manage to go sailing Tony, with petrol prices the way thay are?



Simple send my company broke via the fuel account.



How can you sleep at night
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
19 Jan 2007 6:55pm
Eppalock last I checked on the goulburn murray water mismanagement Authority website was 1.7%

My main business is Steel ute trays. 70% of sales in normal times are to farmers.

So if the fuel account won't do it, the drought will.

Sailboarding Kills, die happy.
oldie
oldie
VIC
356 posts
VIC, 356 posts
20 Jan 2007 8:15am
I like the look of them gybes where your feet stay stuck in one place and you tilt your hips towards the front of the board to carve through and then towards the back to center the pull after the sail flip.
Anybody gone straight to that technique?
Peter Hart does perfect turns on perfect water, Simon Bornhoff (sp) seems to get one locked into high speed downwind excursions.
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
20 Jan 2007 11:17am
After some moderate success, my biggest problem is now holding the carve while overtaking the Botany chop going downwind. Front of the board seems to catch as I overtake and go down one chop into the back of the next one, upsetting my carve. What's the solution, or do I just need to get used to it?
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
20 Jan 2007 10:22am
Hey Harrow,

If you can find a gap between swells then go for it there, in that flat bit. If not then watch what the swell is doing and start your gybe relative to where the wave is. If you're lucky you can go through the wobbly bit with the swell pushing you along. At least that's what the gurus tell me, I still can't get myself to flip that $%^&* sail early enough!!!
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
20 Jan 2007 4:13pm
nebbian,

Trouble is it is Botany Bay chops, not swell. The distance between chop crests is less than a board length, and they are travelling slow, so you over overtaking them at full broad reach speed, bouncing over each one while trying to lean in and turn. Makes for some great stacks!
oldie
oldie
VIC
356 posts
VIC, 356 posts
23 Jan 2007 2:22pm
Seems like one gets more stability by keeping some power in the sail. After sheeting right in to cut the power while turning downwind switch stance, one "bumps the door" with a forward hip motion as power returns in a clew first position, then hip back to be set for acceleration out of the gybe with the sail rotated. Extra high entry speed for a zero power carve is not then so necessary, although I see people making it work, only applying power when back on track. No?
hardie
hardie
WA
4133 posts
WA, 4133 posts
23 Jan 2007 12:39pm
quote:
Originally posted by Harrow

After some moderate success, my biggest problem is now holding the carve while overtaking the Botany chop going downwind. Front of the board seems to catch as I overtake and go down one chop into the back of the next one, upsetting my carve. What's the solution, or do I just need to get used to it?



Dear harrow, yes steering/navigating your way through chop is a great idea but not always possible due to sea state. So navigate the best line possible, and yes going down chop will shift your weight so you have to go with it with confidence (So getting used to it is part of it), I remember fearing this experience when I was at your stage, now I look forward to it, and try and exaggerate the feelingbecause I know the technique.

For tightly spaced chop, tighter harder carves with the technique that follows helps. For more widely spaced chop, you can ride the chop on the way down (maybe that's more a swell line than chop though)

However, For high winds and choppy sea state, One tip I got from a gybing video, that I still have somewhere, is that for very choppy conditions, you need to get the ankles and knees working as shock absorbers, which lessens the weight on the nose, and therefore lessens the impact of nose driving into chop.

What was suggested is along with bent floppy knees and getting your centre of gravity nice and low, the heel of the front foot should be raised, with the weight on the ball of your foot, so the ankle has mobility to move up and down like a shock absorber, so then you have both ankle and knees providing a shock absorber effect, hope this helps, definitely works for me in the wildest of conditions, and how I was pulling off gybes in 30 knots at gero (Notice how low I get to gybe in that photo I posted I'm about 6 foot, and had boom around chest height, but in the photo, my head is about level with the boom, if there'd been a close-up, you'd see the front foot raised acting as shock absorber.


Geez I've just re-read this, and it sounds like I'm some sort of expert/pro.......... remember it's hardie that's just answered your query, so take my advice at your own risk
Leech
Leech
WA
1933 posts
WA, 1933 posts
23 Jan 2007 1:08pm
quote:
Originally posted by hardie


Geez I've just re-read this, and it sounds like I'm some sort of expert/pro



You flatter yourself
jord070
jord070
WA
1109 posts
WA, 1109 posts
23 Jan 2007 4:28pm
i have been out on the water a few times since posting this and i have been getting around 3 or 4 full carve jibes while plaining out of them. out of about every 10-15 atemps. thanks for all the tips

jordan
wesdawindat
wesdawindat
WA
133 posts
WA, 133 posts
30 Jan 2007 12:29am
Great shot of yourself too Tony, But you have died your hair
Ooooh the Dr has arrived........Yawn
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