combined kitesurfing/windsurfing slalom

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qfmike737
qfmike737
QLD
398 posts
QLD, 398 posts
23 May 2006 9:44am
Just wondering would there be a chance that Kitesurfers in the South East QLD area could tag along for Slalom windsurfing events held in the area? Perhaps during seperate times using the same course?

I dont really know of any Kitesurfing Slalom events around but I know there are a few Kitesurfers that would be keen to try something a bit different. I am not familiar with Slalom in windsurfing comps I am guessing you would have a triagle shaped course with a bit of downwind and upwind obstacles? I think it might be a new idea for some kitesurfers to try.
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
23 May 2006 10:27am
No, no, no and no. The day this happens is the day WQ gets no racers at all. I have attended an event at the lake where 1 kite was using the same course and it was a nightmare, you get a bit pissed when you are jostling for 1st and you have to change your line because 50' of kite is heading towards you in opposite direction. That was a lake race which is not WQ, if it was a 1 off fine- if it is regular there will be a few sailors not returning to the lake.

If you wanted to use the same course but at different times that is ok, but races in se qld tend to be time restricted and are being run later in the day to get more people sailing and races are pretty much run back to back. The sailors arent going to appreciate waiting for their course to clear or the nightmare it will be for sailors trying to get a spot near the line with kites running through. Also the course is set up for sailors not kites, I couldnt see 5 kites hitting the line together.

Sailboard racing in se qld is on shakey ground itself so dosent need any extra things to piss sailors off. For insurance purposes the kites also become competitors so if there are any hits neither kite nor sailboard is covered. Finally slalom courses are now figure 8, we used to run downwind S courses. Formula racing is an upwind/downwind course similar to yachts but I imagine kites would tie up this type of course for quite a while.
ka43
ka43
NSW
3105 posts
NSW, 3105 posts
23 May 2006 1:04pm
Gotta agree with mkseven on this one. 6 to 8 slalom sailors racing on a downwind M course is fast and furious. Its hard enough keeping your place let alone worrying where kiters and their lines are. Most guys that I windsurf with are still pretty unsure with kites around so having them in a race situation would be downright scary.
Sailors entering gybes at 25 knots plus, round a buoy fairly close to one another is fun but fraught with danger.
Toss in just one kite (not 4 or 5) and this adds another dimension. When a sailboard crashes it stops pretty quick, when kites crash there seems to be a board (usually unattached), all that high tensile line and a big teabag at the end flying all over the place. Ive seen guys get dragged thru carparks, over fences and along the beach so add that to a slalom race?? No way.
This is not a flame on kiters but the 2 sports need to exist slightly apart from one another. My 2 cents worth.
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
23 May 2006 2:08pm
Both MKseven and Ka43 make sense in their arguements.

But I think I read that post as a request to use the same course for a dedicated kite slalom.

Surely they could be accomodated on a trial basis in a way that would not impinge on the current races.

If this were tackled in a positive manor, I'm sure all would benefit.

There may be a whole group of kiting exwindsurfers out there who would come along and do both or like the choice of which to do in the wind conditions at hand.

Your Shaky ground may stabilise.
qfmike737
qfmike737
QLD
398 posts
QLD, 398 posts
23 May 2006 9:12pm
Hey I totally understand where the Sailboarders are coming from. I would never suggest the idea of kiters going out at the same time as sailboarders ...thats just a bloody nightmare!!! It just would not be safe. Furthermore I can easily see a group of 4 or more Kitesurfers ending up in tangled Carnage if they all go out the same time. So I was thinking that they may have to go out in different heats perhaps in Pairs and get their times recorded.

I think there is space in the kiting community to expand on kite racing/slalom racing and I thought that for the few Kiters that are keen on starting out maybe they could get tips and advice from the sailboarding clubs/community. Sailboarders have been doing these type of events for years and have it all down pat. Would it also be worthwhile asking any of the yachties for ideas? That formula racing seems interesting I might do a bit more research into that.

I think if Kiteboarding is to eventually gain acceptance into events such as the Commonwealth Games/Olympics it will be through a racing/relay/slalom events. I dont see any other type of Kiting style reaching its way into Competitions like the Commonwealth Games/Olympics.

This might be an opportunity for ex-sailboarding Kitesurfers to use their honed skills in a broader range of wind conditions ie lighter wind days.

kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
680 posts
WA, 680 posts
23 May 2006 8:30pm
Im not entirely clued into slalom events as such but I heard about 'kite-boarder cross'. From what I have gathered, windsurfers have much the same format with 4-6 sailors in a race with obstacles. Kiters do it although they are on shorter lines (i.e. 10-15m). Yes there are a few tangles but Im sure there have been a few collisions between windsurfers as well.
By the way, you could race each other with the kiter down wind. There are a few guys on the north side of woodies (WA) that race the more experienced kiters...

Who owns the speed record?? Kiter or windsurfer?
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
24 May 2006 6:45am
Speed record- sailboard 48.7 knots. Kite I think is at 42 knots (GPS unratified), this seems close but windsurf open ocean (44.35)is still above the kite record which was set in a few inches of perfectly flat water. From sailing with kites most would be lucky to see 20 knots.

Kites meal ticket is their ability to do tricks, not racing. Yes racing should be done in a superX style event if at all, WQ do not want to touch and do not have the equipment for this style of format.

I'm not trying to take anything away from kiting, just that racing in Qld generally dosent have the conditions to run events more than a few hours. Currently our race briefings are at 12, on the water by 1 and back in by 4. They try to cram in 6-10 heats with 1 or no break and a few minutes between heats. They need to service the windsurfers first and break up our races into heats if anything: 16-20 racers on 400m figure 8 is alot.

There is an alternative if you are willing to travel, Lake (Lake Cootharaba Sailing Club) races have lots of time to run kites. Same thing start time is about 1 but they only run 3 races. I would rather see kite only heats than mixed heats, provided each class stays well clear of the other at start time and give way rules are evaluated and adjusted to involve kites. That is your best chance of racing, they seem pretty accepting of kites.

How many guys do you run impromtue races with? That is a general indication of how many people are interested and a good way to improve your skills... pick a few marks all start at the same time and go for it.
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