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Long Reef
Long Reef
SA
583 posts
SA, 583 posts
3 Jun 2007 7:51pm
Just wondering what people's thoughts were on the minimal wave gear people use. I've been trying to cut down the lst few years and now down to 2 waveboards - 1 onshore 75 litr, 1 "genuine" wave (70 litre), 1 mast, boom, 3 fins (23, 22, 21) and 2 sails; 4.7 and 5.3.

The question I have is.. should I invest in another sail (anything else) to increase on the water time or keep thing as they are.

The advantage of this set up is that I follow a rigging rule for certain conditions and therefore don't fuss about on the beach wondering wether or not to rig a 5.0 or 5.3. Other advantages is that its cheaper to update and everything fits inside the car.

I've seen guys at the beach with 4 boards and 7 sails to chose from and that always seem to "rig too big/too small", "If only i had taken out the 85 litre and not the freestyle ... "

cheers
Tim
jord070
jord070
WA
1109 posts
WA, 1109 posts
3 Jun 2007 7:11pm
i would invest in a nother boom, because it is the one of the major pieces of equipment u must have and if you only have one, and you break it your stuffed, and unless your sailing in 20 to 25 knotts everytime i would go for a 5.7 or close to because than you would have a light wind kit with your 75leater. but in doing so you would need a new mast aswell to suit,. so you have to look that factor aswell
jord070
jord070
WA
1109 posts
WA, 1109 posts
3 Jun 2007 7:13pm
just saw my avatar and im pretty much thse guys you discribe who have too much gear at any one time
rosey
rosey
NSW
575 posts
NSW, 575 posts
3 Jun 2007 9:54pm
i have one board, 2 sails, one mast(soon to be 2) and 2 booms.
78l goya(im 80kg), 5.2 and 4.6, 430 (400) and good boom+spare.
i cant get angry that i rigged wrong then coz there is only minimal choice.
Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
NSW
174 posts
NSW, 174 posts
4 Jun 2007 7:24am
I think a sup will cover all bases.....
Boris
Boris
261 posts
261 posts
4 Jun 2007 8:04am
Just have no gear. Much less confusing
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
4 Jun 2007 8:06am
tim, i like your of thinking

i'm in the too many sails (8) and too many boards (5) category. I'm trying to start again, sell stuff and i'd like to get down to:

2 boards - 1 onshore / xshore light winds 88l
- 1 xshore high winds / xoff 80l

3 sails 5.7 - 5 - 4.4

i figured out i'm going to be using this gear 90% of the time and for the other 10% it 's probably not worth sailing anyway.....
Flipper
Flipper
QLD
34 posts
QLD, 34 posts
4 Jun 2007 10:15am
Hi Tim,

I'm only really interested in wave sailing. I weigh 75kg and have 2 boards (a 69L and 90L), 2 sails (4.5 and 5.3), 1 mast, 1 boom, 1 extension and a few fins.

Only issue I'm finding is the sails aren't really setting correctly on the 1 mast so may look at getting another one.

Keeps me happy (Could always sail more but don't really have the time).


DavMen
DavMen
NSW
1510 posts
NSW, 1510 posts
4 Jun 2007 10:33am
Hi

This dosn't really answer the original post but!

I don't have a hell of a lot of gear - but as I can't just go sailing when I please, I have to have gear that covers a biggish range so when I can go I might have someting that suits.
Having said that I don't take everything I own down to the beach on that given day just what I might need that is usually 2 boards and three sails can't alway trust the forcast 100% but its a good enough guide as to what to put in the car.

DavMen
easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
TAS, 2213 posts
4 Jun 2007 1:12pm
How is it at all possible to have too many windsurfing things?
I know my wife has too many handbags and jackets, but that's completely different.
Flipper
Flipper
QLD
34 posts
QLD, 34 posts
4 Jun 2007 2:02pm
Hi Tim,

From your kit description, is another sail really the issue or would a larger second board be a better option for "more water time"?

I find a 5.3 and 90L is sufficient to get me out in about 15kns and, as I'm looking for riding not speed, bobbing on the way out is not an issue.

Another sail will probably also mean another mast (and maybe boom).

Your call, either way I hope you find the right balance.

Regards,

Peter D.
MJP68
MJP68
QLD
147 posts
QLD, 147 posts
4 Jun 2007 2:51pm
hey Tim,

having recently moved into a small town-house, I've had to go a bit further and rationalise on one board (a 92l pocket wave). i figure if I travel to somewhere like WA or maui I'll just rent some nice down-the-line stuff. my 76l Naish was just gathering dust.

Like you i also have a 4.7 and 5.3 on one mast, with the addition of a 6.7 free-ride style sail for the occasional flat-water spin.

problem is, with my current setup, the 6.7 adds another mast (460) and another boom, which is a major drag, given how often i use it!

my theory is I need to concentrate on my sailing (which is crap) rather than my gear, and modern stuff is so rangey that just a couple of sails sees you accross a wide range of wind conditions if you make the most of your tuning and your fin quiver.

to be honest, if money and space was no object, I'd just add a Kona Surf (or similar) and I'd be sailing in almost anything!

In your case, I'd just be thinking about trading that 75l onshore wave for maybe something a bit floatier, and I think your water time would increase a lot, if you don't mind the occasional shlog out.

matt
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23695 posts
WA, 23695 posts
4 Jun 2007 2:21pm
Tim I think all your gear is pretty close together size wise.

I'd ditch the 75L and get a faster rockered onshore wave board about 80L..... careful shopping could mean a same day changeover for not much money (or nil!).

Grab a 5.7-6.0 and swap you 23cm fin for a 24 sideshore wave (upright rake).

Dunno about needing another mast your 5.3 would rig on a 430 anyway (?)
Long Reef
Long Reef
SA
583 posts
SA, 583 posts
4 Jun 2007 7:01pm
Cheers for the advice,

I think I may go another sail - the 5.7, the onshore waveboard is fairly wide 56.5cm and I've heard satisfaction is all about width these days and not length or volume. I can bob out in about 10 knots if there is a wave on or fang about in small surf if its 20knots. If there is a genuine wave on and 13knts I will take out the little 69 litre. On the east coast (Sydney) you get a lot of practice balancing little boards in marginal winds.

A SUP would also be good for those really light gentle days when a nice paddle out to long reef headland in the sun would be a great way to spend an hour or two. Throwing on my wave rig would also mean I could pick up a wave or teach a friend.

My Mountain bike or 6.1 fishy board are used to fill in other times.
Tim
curac
curac
WA
1160 posts
WA, 1160 posts
4 Jun 2007 6:01pm
get another mast.

NR
NR
WA
517 posts
NR NR
WA, 517 posts
5 Jun 2007 10:13am
get a harness and wetsuit.
Long Reef
Long Reef
SA
583 posts
SA, 583 posts
5 Jun 2007 1:38pm
What I really wanted is a windsurf partner show is happy to say the following things;
"i'm going shopping today why don't you unwind and spend some time with your mates windsurfing"
"I enjoy sunbaking while you windsurf"
"would you like me to take some photos of you getting some jumps and waverides"
"Hawaii would be a great place for our holiday"

cheers
Tim
P.C_simpson
P.C_simpson
WA
1492 posts
WA, 1492 posts
5 Jun 2007 1:11pm
hi tim, i think you should add one sail, something around 4.4m and a 400cm mast to fit it, then you can sail in anything, i have simpified in the last 2 years aswell, i now have a wave board, a freestyle/wave because i like to sail in flat water, and its good for light wind wave days and onshore stuff. for sails i run a 4.4, 4.8 and a 5.2 which all run well on my wave board and i have a 5.6 which i only use on my freestyle wave board on flat water. 2 masts, one boom. but i always run current model sails and booms, so a spare boom it's really needed unless i go on holidays then i throw it in just in case. as far as fins, i always run the same fin in my boards. MFC of coarse.
Long Reef
Long Reef
SA
583 posts
SA, 583 posts
5 Jun 2007 6:30pm
Based on all the advice I'm think that I may add to the quiver;
5.7 sail for my Freestyle wave board
1 spare 400 mast
1 additional new boom (maybe carbon but the weight & stiffness advantages in small sizes are not that obvious)
Spare harness lines
1 very warm wety for winter
1 SUP with paddle

Nowing paying for it all is another question.

This weekend looks good for some action in Sydney - I will probably head to Newport reef. Makaha should be working Friday and Sat as well but I really like the big, fat mechanical waves that break at Newport!
Tim
Poida
Poida
WA
1922 posts
WA, 1922 posts
5 Jun 2007 9:34pm
interesting combo Tim, only two sails but two boards.
Ive gone 4 sails and one board, a 75L which suits me from 15knots to 30 knots for wave mostly but will get me on a coast run too, with a fin change.
all sails fit on a 400 mast - 4.2, 4.7, 5.3 & 5.7
and one boom, one 45cm mast ext.
so this suits me from 15knots up to 30 knots
lately I spent the money on the good mast and carbon boom.
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
WA, 7608 posts
5 Jun 2007 10:10pm
quote:
Originally posted by Poida

interesting combo Tim, only two sails but two boards.
Ive gone 4 sails and one board, a 75L which suits me from 15knots to 30 knots for wave mostly but will get me on a coast run too, with a fin change.
all sails fit on a 400 mast - 4.2, 4.7, 5.3 & 5.7
and one boom, one 45cm mast ext.
so this suits me from 15knots up to 30 knots
lately I spent the money on the good mast and carbon boom.


Thats an awsome quiver you got there Poids. What board do you have?
What sails are you using? Severne? Is your boom taking a flogging with the extension from a 4.2 right out to a 5.7? I guess you got a carbon boom. How much do you weigh? I only ask all these questions because Id like to have this exact quiver. At the moment I have 3 boards 70L, 76L and 86L and 3 sails 4.2m, 5m and 5.7m
Please enlighten me
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
WA, 7608 posts
5 Jun 2007 10:18pm
Oh and with this I have 2 booms and 2 masts.
The booms are ali so I dont really like the way it feels with 30 plus cm of extension for the 5.7m. So I have one boom starting at 150cm and another boom starting from 160cm.
And the 400 mast doesnt fit on the 5.7m sail even with 40cm's of extension. Then again I dont think the mast curve would sit right unless it was the recommended mast which they design them around yeah?
Poida
Poida
WA
1922 posts
WA, 1922 posts
6 Jun 2007 11:51am
hey Greeny,
I decided to go for the severne S1's, the 5.7 fits on the 400 skinny mast with a long ext. they might recommend a 430 but the 400 seems to work for me. I think for the ezzy's you need three half mast length pieces to suit that sail range.

The boom is a 135 to 195cm autima wave, carbon - I think the 5.7 is 192cm so just fits. The last autima carbon I had laste 2 grueling years. This would be less for the heavy people. The aeron boom is only 185 long fully extended so that didnt work for the 5.7. The aeron may indeed extend out to the 192 but for the price I wasnt going to be the test bunny. The sales people suggested two booms which I thought aaaaagh no thanks I'll go the autima.

the board is a 75L evo 07 model and suits my 75Kg weight. The board is sort of an allrounder but still works like a surfboard in good waves. I would like a 90L coasty board with a 7.5m2 and maybe a 69L goya wave board but, hey, when you throw in a kite and a surfboard quiver Ive overloaded the shed and used up all the leave passes. I try and live a balanced lifestyle here The kite fills in the 14-18knot days when the 5.7 is just a little undercooked.

I used to go 4.2, 4.7 and 5.3 but found wanting the bigger sail on those lighter days when there seemed to be the swell. Nothing worse than watching people plane past and steal that wave youve been eyeing off while you dog it in to the lineup! I think with the newer sails the 4.2, 5 and 5.7 works but sometimes when its 4.7 or 4.5 its really handy to have something that size.

cheers
Poida
Poida
Poida
WA
1922 posts
WA, 1922 posts
6 Jun 2007 12:38pm
oh, the other thing I found with this gear was to rig big to get things planing right.
the same gear in 04 didnt seem to have to do this, maybe its the fin, I dont know.

Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
WA, 7608 posts
6 Jun 2007 8:51pm
Sweet thanks for the info... that helps heaps
Long Reef
Long Reef
SA
583 posts
SA, 583 posts
7 Jun 2007 8:41am
I'm enjoying this topic - cheers for the detail Poida.

I did go the RDM 400 mast with the 45 carbon extension and Severne sails. Interesting comments on booms that need stiffness for the 5.7 - its may mean an extra boom for me, I assume the autima's are very good.
I know my freestyle wave seems pretty small at only 75litres but I can it planning in 12knots. I only weigh 70kg. Apparently 56cm is a good width for me and I have the second board. So at the moment I have 2 setups; 5.3 + 75 FSW and 4.7 70litre DTL wave.
I've sort of gone off flatwater sailing lately so if the wind is light I'll go mountain biking.

cheers
Tim
Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
NSW
174 posts
NSW, 174 posts
7 Jun 2007 10:31am
hey poida,

How does your evo 75 go with your 5.7?
I have a evo 75 and run a 5.4 would like to know how a 5.7 goes
do you use a larger fin
Poida
Poida
WA
1922 posts
WA, 1922 posts
7 Jun 2007 1:31pm
hi Eddy,
the 5.7 and the 75 evo seem to go ok for my weight in the surf imo. It gets me onto the wave and the S1's seem good at turning the power off and on as required while you surf the wave. I usually use the same fin in the waves for all my sails but will be experimenting a bit more. for a coast run I'll be putting a bigger fin in. (coast run for me is going down wind from surf break to surf break and surfing the rolling waves out in the ocean)

the pro's probably only go to 5.3 and dog it around with a bigger board but with my one board system I prefer to have a bit of power under my belt and rig big. the pro's would provide better info on this.

The 5.7 is a bit of a dog to do a pushy with.

I think the two or three board system is the ultimate, but I can make do with the one board at present.
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