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kodyn
kodyn
WA
65 posts
WA, 65 posts
9 Mar 2007 5:08pm
Hey guys,,,chasing a little advice
being newish to this sport,,,and today being the strongest wind ive ever sailed,,I was wondering how much board size affects things with strong winds..
Im 84kg,,sail a 85L wave board,,,can comfortably sail with harness and footstraps,jump/ride waves,,,,,but had a hell of a time today with these awesome gusts. I actually got pulled from my straps once and catapulted...
I was sailing a 4.2,,,downhauled and outhauled to extremes..30knt winds( dont know what the gust were ),,,If I use a smaller board in these winds will it make sailing easier???
Also found it hard to totally commit to the harness with the big gusts..sailing back in i found myself almost standing vertical at times,,,sheeting right out??

Any help sailing in stong winds would be appreciated..cheers
Jman
Jman
VIC
881 posts
VIC, 881 posts
10 Mar 2007 1:13pm
Kodyn,
Noticed none of your local sailors have replied so I'll share my thoughts, had similar happen to me when its been realy windy here in Melbourne I think downhaul is the key to geting through gusts overpowered, I also found when I updated to better sails rigged on the recomended mast made a big difference. If you can measure where the max downhaul is from the sail specs just in case you are under downhauling. The board wouldn't be to big, what size fin? that can make a difference.
jman
hardie
hardie
WA
4133 posts
WA, 4133 posts
10 Mar 2007 11:26am
quote:
Originally posted by kodyn

Hey guys,,,chasing a little advice
being newish to this sport,,,and today being the strongest wind ive ever sailed,,I was wondering how much board size affects things with strong winds..
Im 84kg,,sail a 85L wave board,,,can comfortably sail with harness and footstraps,jump/ride waves,,,,,but had a hell of a time today with these awesome gusts. I actually got pulled from my straps once and catapulted...
I was sailing a 4.2,,,downhauled and outhauled to extremes..30knt winds( dont know what the gust were ),,,If I use a smaller board in these winds will it make sailing easier???
Also found it hard to totally commit to the harness with the big gusts..sailing back in i found myself almost standing vertical at times,,,sheeting right out??

Any help sailing in stong winds would be appreciated..cheers



Hi, yes sailing in strong winds really sorts everyone out. Given your experience, 10/10 for just being out there.

There are three main aspects to sailing in strong winds. Skill/technique; Equipment; Psychological mindset

Skill technique, comes with experience, if you set your equipment up right, then it's about having a stance that means you can leverage against the power of the sail, and distribute this through the board and fin. I think, low and compact are keys, so if you get blasted by a strong gust, you might get stood up, but not catapulted. If you can't handle the gusts then often you don't have an alternative other than to sheet out, though this will upset all the trim, and you'll be stuck with too much power in all the wrong positions. When experienced, you learn to lean into the gust and go with it. As you get more confident, and that is something that builds with time, which can be built during a session, and built over the history of your sailing, and then this dvelops into a psychological mindset, in the end you have to have the "Go for It", mindset, though this will come at the cost of some pretty nasty wipeouts. Re: gear, 85 litre wave board and 4.2 sound about right for you, unless you got money to burn, then in those conditions maybe something around 70 litres would be better (How many times will you use it, if living in Gero then yes) Re sail I wouldn't go smaller than 4.2, (Unless living in gero then a 3.7). One mistake people make on windy days, is they put too much outhall on, which makes the sail very twitchy, yes heaps of downhall, but only use the outhaul moderatly, you need shape in the bottom of the sail, downhaly creates flop in the leach at top of the sail, which acts as the exhaust, but you need shape in the bottom for smooth power. Hope this helps, I'll let others respond.
Poida
Poida
WA
1922 posts
WA, 1922 posts
10 Mar 2007 11:43am
Hey Kodyn

Are you in gero?
looking at the graphs for yesterday it looked like a few 35-40kn sections - that is pretty extreme!
that might be why your feeling it
imo, a smaller board and smaller fin can help on the really windy days to get through those extra choppy sections of ocean - u dont really need the volume to float you when you have plenty of power, and the smaller board is looser on the waves

Hey Hardie
I found my S1 severne is very twitchy with too much outhaul
it was nice to turn off the power though once I was on a wave
hardie
hardie
WA
4133 posts
WA, 4133 posts
10 Mar 2007 11:49am
quote:
Originally posted by Poida

Hey Kodyn



Hey Hardie
I found my S1 severne is very twitchy with too much outhaul
it was nice to turn off the power though once I was on a wave



Hey Poids,

Not familiar with the Severnes? Sounds like it worked on the wave face, which maybe what it was designed for. Twitchy never sounds or feels good though, IMHO i would definitely be trying to tune the twitchiness out of the sail, hard to get comfortable, which in strong winds is when you need a sail to feel comfortable. Ask around, other Severne owners might be able to help. Twitchy doesn't sound right though ????
Juice
Juice
WA
280 posts
WA, 280 posts
10 Mar 2007 11:59am
everything hardie says except the 70 litre board, wide tail board=bumpy ride, narrow tail=smother ride, flat underneath tail=bumpy ride,lot of vee underneath tail=smooth ride, stick with your board get a modern sail put a smaller fin in.
At 85kg I used a 85 litre board and 5.0 yesterday no problems, the battens have extra draft lock carbon around them which help maintain a super stable shape sail, the design and cut of the sail allows the head to twist off allowing the sail to spill air and stay stable. At 68 kg Gazza was on same sail 4.5 with no problems.
hardie
hardie
WA
4133 posts
WA, 4133 posts
10 Mar 2007 12:12pm
Watch this video of the best in the world, when Finian Maynard passes the orange bouy on the left of screen he gets hit by two 60 knot gusts, watch how his compact stance allows him to hold, even though he gets stood up!!!!! This is technique at its best!!!!

ba0__

I think all windsurfers need to study this video, especially speedsailors, look for all the subtelties.
kodyn
kodyn
WA
65 posts
WA, 65 posts
10 Mar 2007 12:17pm
thnx guys,,,,had a 21cm fin yesterday....what youse are saying about the outhaul,,well the sail was twitchy as hell so ill try less outhaul in the future...the sail is a 2005 ezzy so shouldnt be a prob there,,,i guess its just down to experience...

So,,ill apologise to my body now cause theres only one way to get it...
bubs
bubs
SA
924 posts
SA, 924 posts
10 Mar 2007 2:05pm
Hi everyone,

I'm about 65kg and when i go out in realy strong winds (i was told about 30 knots twice) i have a 100L Naish wave board with a 5m Core wave sail downhauled and outhauled to the max.

I know for a fact that the sail is way to big for me, So i just hang on and hope not to get hurt to much, but i've been trying to convince my dad the board is also prity big for me in that kind of wind. Am i correct here? We have a old fiberglass wave board (about 80L) sitting up in our rafters. With a good fin, would this be a better option for me?

Bubs
hardie
hardie
WA
4133 posts
WA, 4133 posts
10 Mar 2007 12:50pm
quote:
Originally posted by bubs

Hi everyone,

I'm about 65kg and when i go out in realy strong winds (i was told about 30 knots twice) i have a 100L Naish wave board with a 5m Core wave sail downhauled and outhauled to the max.

I know for a fact that the sail is way to big for me, So i just hang on and hope not to get hurt to much, but i've been trying to convince my dad the board is also prity big for me in that kind of wind. Am i correct here? We have a old fiberglass wave board (about 80L) sitting up in our rafters. With a good fin, would this be a better option for me?

Bubs



Way too big for you in 30 knots, you need something like a 3.7m sail, and 70 litre or less board, take note of what was said earlier about too much outhaul. The 80 Litre old fibreglass board, might handle better in those conditions, but would not be a good match with the modern sail. But you have to be realistic about money and what, who can afford.
bubs
bubs
SA
924 posts
SA, 924 posts
10 Mar 2007 3:42pm
3.7 seems way to small. I thought more like a 4.0 - 4.5. For the amount i would go out in these winds it seems pointless to spend a lot of money. But i was hoping to take out this fiberglass board at some point. Would this be a better option? Would it handel a 5.0? Also what kind of fin would you suggest? Just the wave fin i used on my 100L Naish board. I recently bought a bigger fin for that. Going out sailing tomorrow.

Bubs
cecil
cecil
WA
121 posts
WA, 121 posts
10 Mar 2007 2:50pm
Hardie was extremely articulate and concise. Once you've addressed his options all that's left is TOW (time on the water solves everything). If you're still feeling nervous and you can't go any smaller (board, sail, fin) then wear a full wetsuit and brain-bucket ... more for the 'go for it' attitude. And, if you do crash and burn, you're unlikely to get hurt.

Yesterday was good wasn't it? For once I was glad I weigh 100kg... that helps a lot. I guess you could try eating do-nuts all winter, however, I'd suggest you follow Hardie's advice instead.

See you out there!
bubs
bubs
SA
924 posts
SA, 924 posts
10 Mar 2007 4:40pm
I feel fine taking out smaller gear. But when we first tried the board, my brother took it out and got stuck out realy far. Took him like and hour and a half to get back. Now dad wont take it anywhere. Problem is my brother didn't realise that he wasn't quite good enough to sail a board like that at his level.

Bubs
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
10 Mar 2007 3:41pm
what kind of board you using kodyn??

regardless of ltrs.... the shape of a board will make heaps of difference on V Windy days... more rocker / smaller tail will give you MORE control which will allow you to COMMIT to harness more... and therefore crank.

sounds like you need a smaller board for those high wind days, something around the 75-80.....

hhmmmm i've got one 4 sale.. cheap if you wanna 2nd hand one!
kodyn
kodyn
WA
65 posts
WA, 65 posts
10 Mar 2007 7:48pm
lol windy,,,thnx mate but i reckon if i buy anymore sailin gear this yr,,,,the mrs will pack her bags,,,lol..

went out today in 25-30knts,,,pulled a little more downhaul and let the outhaul out a bit,,felt heaps better,,,lots more control...just about done me back tryin to get more downhaul but ya get that,,,lol

cheers for all the advice guys,,,,now just to get thos bloody gybs
CJW
CJW
NSW
1731 posts
CJW CJW
NSW, 1731 posts
10 Mar 2007 11:40pm
Personally I think 3.7 is way too small, it's a pretty specialist size that would see rare use, imo. I'm 65kg and my smallest sail is a 4.1, which I use a fair bit (in Aus at my weight I wouldn't consider owning a smaller sail...you'd use it once every few years). It's good up to the high 30's well in control, over that it gets a bit wild but at those wind strengths anything does.

Board size does make a bit of a difference but more when you're in the waves, a larger board is still fine for bump and jump; it's just a little bumpy :P My freestyle board is 105L and I used to ride that in all conditions including 30kts+ with my 4.1. In the waves at those wind strengths it was hell on a bottom turn but as I said before for bump and jump it should be no problems. When its really windy, no matter what board size you have, riding waves becomes increasingly difficult...imo.

Also know your gear, tuning it right for the appropriate wind strength will make life a LOT easier, experiment :D
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